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(04-22-2017 07:33 PM)TheNexus Wrote: [ -> ]I don't believe they are fake but I don't see any from after last September there.

Spot on.

The moderator side of things is what really concerns me about this whole affair.

Anybody can see (a) that this BSO is woefully sub-standard, and (b) that this BSO seller has engaged in deceptive practices to make his service appear better than it really is.

As far as (a) is concerned, it's not the mods' job to verify in advance whether a BSO is any good or not. So I don't blame them for allowing the BSO to be published. When it becomes clear that a BSO is bullshit, however, I think it's a slightly different story. BSO sellers are of course selling their services to try to make a profit: fair enough. But it is surely implicit that BSO sellers should not try to rip off other forum members. Clearly, FleaBagHead is trying to fleece other BBHF members. He's advertising a service he has proven repeatedly over a period of several months that he just can't deliver. If the mods condone that behaviour - and allowing this BSO to continue represents at least passive acceptance of his behaviour - then all bets are off. BBHF is clearly an "anything goes" site where it's OK for members to try to rip other members off. That's not what I signed up for and a forum like that is probably a forum that I'm not going to remain a member of.

But (b) is a completely different story. Deceptive selling practices are illegal (in many countries), for bloody good reason. I know that FleaBagHead had his deletion rights revoked, but - for me; your tolerance for deception may of course differ - that's no sanction at all. (Particularly when I understand his deletion rights have now been reinstated.) He's still being allowed to make money from newbies who may mistake 100+ pages of comments as a sign that this service is popular and who don't bother to read what's been going on. I don't run this place but if I did there would be zero tolerance of deception: the BSO would have been taken down and FleaBagHead would have been booted off the site months ago.

I fully appreciate that the mods have to generate enough income to keep the lights on and that GBs and BSOs play a significant part in that. And that's absolutely fine - as long as those who run GBs and BSOs are honest. Once an advertiser/seller displays dishonesty or bad faith, their sorry arses should be kicked to the kerb. There should be no second chances. To continue to permit people like that to sell their services is not a million legal miles from offences such as conspiracy to commit fraud. (And yes, I used to be a lawyer in a previous life.)

I would genuinely like to hear from the mods why this BSO has been allowed to continue. I feel it would be good for everyone to understand what is and is not considered acceptable behaviour by sellers running BSOs and GBs.

Certainly, as a buyer of BSOs and GBs, I'd very much like to know if I need to start assuming that every seller of a BSO is a chancer trying to con me out of a buck.

(04-23-2017 01:19 AM)sihowells Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-22-2017 07:33 PM)TheNexus Wrote: [ -> ]I don't believe they are fake but I don't see any from after last September there.

Spot on.

The moderator side of things is what really concerns me about this whole affair.

Anybody can see (a) that this BSO is woefully sub-standard, and (b) that this BSO seller has engaged in deceptive practices to make his service appear better than it really is.

As far as (a) is concerned, it's not the mods' job to verify in advance whether a BSO is any good or not. So I don't blame them for allowing the BSO to be published. When it becomes clear that a BSO is bullshit, however, I think it's a slightly different story. BSO sellers are of course selling their services to try to make a profit: fair enough. But it is surely implicit that BSO sellers should not try to rip off other forum members. Clearly, FleaBagHead is trying to fleece other BBHF members. He's advertising a service he has proven repeatedly over a period of several months that he just can't deliver. If the mods condone that behaviour - and allowing this BSO to continue represents at least passive acceptance of his behaviour - then all bets are off. BBHF is clearly an "anything goes" site where it's OK for members to try to rip other members off. That's not what I signed up for and a forum like that is probably a forum that I'm not going to remain a member of.

But (b) is a completely different story. Deceptive selling practices are illegal (in many countries), for bloody good reason. I know that FleaBagHead had his deletion rights revoked, but - for me; your tolerance for deception may of course differ - that's no sanction at all. (Particularly when I understand his deletion rights have now been reinstated.) He's still being allowed to make money from newbies who may mistake 100+ pages of comments as a sign that this service is popular and who don't bother to read what's been going on. I don't run this place but if I did there would be zero tolerance of deception: the BSO would have been taken down and FleaBagHead would have been booted off the site months ago.

I fully appreciate that the mods have to generate enough income to keep the lights on and that GBs and BSOs play a significant part in that. And that's absolutely fine - as long as those who run GBs and BSOs are honest. Once an advertiser/seller displays dishonesty or bad faith, their sorry arses should be kicked to the kerb. There should be no second chances. To continue to permit people like that to sell their services is not a million legal miles from offences such as conspiracy to commit fraud. (And yes, I used to be a lawyer in a previous life.)

I would genuinely like to hear from the mods why this BSO has been allowed to continue. I feel it would be good for everyone to understand what is and is not considered acceptable behaviour by sellers running BSOs and GBs.

Certainly, as a buyer of BSOs and GBs, I'd very much like to know if I need to start assuming that every seller of a BSO is a chancer trying to con me out of a buck.

You have taken my toughs in this post @sihowells
I'm also searching alternative to BBHF, because I can't understand why this BSO still exists. I had really good experience with BBHF in past but now without control has become a scammers playground. And the MODS are doing nothing. Also the rule to charge to open a BSO or GB is no use to the community if there s no control (why we have to pay?). I've done a lot of GB's in past only to get together a course and split the costs. I've come here to get and give help. I understand, that we are all black hat-ers, and we're doing something not legal. But we act to help each other, not to scam our BBHF Brothers.

(04-23-2017 01:19 AM)sihowells Wrote: [ -> ]Spot on.

The moderator side of things is what really concerns me about this whole affair.

Anybody can see (a) that this BSO is woefully sub-standard, and (b) that this BSO seller has engaged in deceptive practices to make his service appear better than it really is.

As far as (a) is concerned, it's not the mods' job to verify in advance whether a BSO is any good or not. So I don't blame them for allowing the BSO to be published. When it becomes clear that a BSO is bullshit, however, I think it's a slightly different story. BSO sellers are of course selling their services to try to make a profit: fair enough. But it is surely implicit that BSO sellers should not try to rip off other forum members. Clearly, FleaBagHead is trying to fleece other BBHF members. He's advertising a service he has proven repeatedly over a period of several months that he just can't deliver. If the mods condone that behaviour - and allowing this BSO to continue represents at least passive acceptance of his behaviour - then all bets are off. BBHF is clearly an "anything goes" site where it's OK for members to try to rip other members off. That's not what I signed up for and a forum like that is probably a forum that I'm not going to remain a member of.

But (b) is a completely different story. Deceptive selling practices are illegal (in many countries), for bloody good reason. I know that FleaBagHead had his deletion rights revoked, but - for me; your tolerance for deception may of course differ - that's no sanction at all. (Particularly when I understand his deletion rights have now been reinstated.) He's still being allowed to make money from newbies who may mistake 100+ pages of comments as a sign that this service is popular and who don't bother to read what's been going on. I don't run this place but if I did there would be zero tolerance of deception: the BSO would have been taken down and FleaBagHead would have been booted off the site months ago.

I fully appreciate that the mods have to generate enough income to keep the lights on and that GBs and BSOs play a significant part in that. And that's absolutely fine - as long as those who run GBs and BSOs are honest. Once an advertiser/seller displays dishonesty or bad faith, their sorry arses should be kicked to the kerb. There should be no second chances. To continue to permit people like that to sell their services is not a million legal miles from offences such as conspiracy to commit fraud. (And yes, I used to be a lawyer in a previous life.)

I would genuinely like to hear from the mods why this BSO has been allowed to continue. I feel it would be good for everyone to understand what is and is not considered acceptable behaviour by sellers running BSOs and GBs.

Certainly, as a buyer of BSOs and GBs, I'd very much like to know if I need to start assuming that every seller of a BSO is a chancer trying to con me out of a buck.

You know my own personal thoughts on this as we have discussed the matter privately.

I can't even really talk officially for BBHF as I'm just an unpaid volunteer who is giving a lot of my spare time trying to keep this place running as smoothly as possible under some hindering limitations I might add.

One person and one person alone makes the rules here and all we can do as Mods is to try and enforce them to the best of our abilities.

But let me make an analogy here if I may, say you hire a plumber from Yellow Pages and he does a terrible job...you can't expect to call up Yellow Pages and complain and demand that they remove his advertisement.

When buying anything it is down to the buyer to do their due diligence on the seller. Caveat Emptor as the saying goes.

Now what I can say is I've already posted in this thread that anyone who has asked for a refund due to poor service and has been refused it or not received it should contact Omni Potens or Lala directly and they will intervene on your behalf. So far they have been successful every time in resolving it.

So finally my advice is if you're not happy with the service vote with your wallet, start the refund process (even taking it as far as a PayPal dispute) and move your hosting elsewhere.

Additionally just for the record my current recommendation for hosting is SiteGround. Obviously more expensive but if this thread has taught us anything it's that when it comes to hosting the phrase "you get what you pay for" is very true.

(04-23-2017 09:46 AM)benji Wrote: [ -> ]Removed due to self promotion - TheNexus.

I'm sure it's no coincidence you have a thread in Self Promotion promoting both these companies!!

(04-23-2017 09:11 AM)TheNexus Wrote: [ -> ]You know my own personal thoughts on this as we have discussed the matter privately.

I can't even really talk officially for BBHF as I'm just an unpaid volunteer who is giving a lot of my spare time trying to keep this place running as smoothly as possible under some hindering limitations I might add.

One person and one person alone makes the rules here and all we can do as Mods is to try and enforce them to the best of our abilities.

But let me make an analogy here if I may, say you hire a plumber from Yellow Pages and he does a terrible job...you can't expect to call up Yellow Pages and complain and demand that they remove his advertisement.

When buying anything it is down to the buyer to do their due diligence on the seller. Caveat Emptor as the saying goes.

Now what I can say is I've already posted in this thread that anyone who has asked for a refund due to poor service and has been refused it or not received it should contact Omni Potens or Lala directly and they will intervene on your behalf. So far they have been successful every time in resolving it.

So finally my advice is if you're not happy with the service vote with your wallet, start the refund process (even taking it as far as a PayPal dispute) and move your hosting elsewhere.

Thank you TheNexus, for your explanation. Some points are true.
But form this point of view BBHF is not anymore a community of like minded people, but a business.

So, the only thing we can do, is warn our BBHF brothers that id they have problems, with any BSO they write directly to Lala or Omni Potens.

still sum pretty big bucks to pay upfront... il try mini vps for wp fisrts.. its 5$/mth each and its pretty juiced up...call it cost of businness... but this is min 500usd i'd say...

Hi @xell and @sihowells.
After reading your posts here I definitely agree with your statements. And here is mine.
First when I did an honest review and told the BBHF members in this thread that this service is so bad that if I was the seller my mother wouldn't buy from me.
After this, they started deleting the negative posts and showing fake testimonials stating "Our servers are great and all the websites working fine.
I was so frustrated and pissed off you have no idea.
Now that I see this BSO is still on, I can undoubtedly say that this is becoming a pure business. They don't see or care if their members are getting ripped off by bad services BSO that deserved to be shut down 2 months ago.
No one did a thing here except @TheNexus. But he/she is just volunteer as we know and it's not much he\she can do here.
Lots of VIP members here are looking for BBHF alternative and they will find it one day or another.
I think this website will loose them as customers and visitors just because of not stoping this thread on time.
I hope I'm wrong but this is a major mistake from the owner of the site and mods too.
There is still no response from FleaBagHead.
I wonder what's happening with the honest people who transferred their websites to this hosting and paid for the downtime and error after error from this people.
Not to mention the ones who sold a package and have clients to take care of.
May GOD be with you.

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Some of members here " 3 or 4 " " They are no longer using our services and i've explained many time what happened with " TheNexus " He has a problem with his network because of combining more than 2 lines and this issue prevent him from logging to our servers, We provided a solution " Using a VPN " but we respect his choice if he don't want to continue with us this is from the first day he joined us and he didn't tried our services yet ! ( But we respect him ) .

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This is what i needed to say .
Any way i hope all the best for you guys.

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(04-27-2017 03:11 AM)MUZIK Wrote: [ -> ]Hi @xell and @sihowells.
After reading your posts here I definitely agree with your statements. And here is mine.
First when I did an honest review and told the BBHF members in this thread that this service is so bad that if I was the seller my mother wouldn't buy from me.
After this, they started deleting the negative posts and showing fake testimonials stating "Our servers are great and all the websites working fine.
I was so frustrated and pissed off you have no idea.
Now that I see this BSO is still on, I can undoubtedly say that this is becoming a pure business. They don't see or care if their members are getting ripped off by bad services BSO that deserved to be shut down 2 months ago.
No one did a thing here except @TheNexus. But he/she is just volunteer as we know and it's not much he\she can do here.
Lots of VIP members here are looking for BBHF alternative and they will find it one day or another.
I think this website will loose them as customers and visitors just because of not stoping this thread on time.
I hope I'm wrong but this is a major mistake from the owner of the site and mods too.
There is still no response from FleaBagHead.
I wonder what's happening with the honest people who transferred their websites to this hosting and paid for the downtime and error after error from this people.
Not to mention the ones who sold a package and have clients to take care of.
May GOD be with you.

We are taking care about our clients very well , The only thing we need here is to stop your hate and spam away from our bso thread.

You joined our hosting ,

We helped you many times to get your websites online all the time,

But many issues came from you and our csf always blocking your ip because of several connection caused from your own private ip ,

Many clients hasn't been blocked but csf firewall blocked you ?

Any way , you got your refund after 2 months of using our services and after many issues you caused,

Instead of saying " Thank you " You are here trying to post spam and bad words,

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