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(02-14-2014 06:33 AM)Extor Wrote: [ -> ]
Thanks, Whata - repped!

For Whata and dirkg - These are ideas from another thread:
- You can use the "multiple option" in buy it now.
- Check off add sales tax when applicable in advance settings

This is not my personal knowledge and I don't know if it applies to your/our situation, so make sure you check these things out yourself.

rainbowdrifter - That's so funny! Just last night I made a reminder note for today:
See Ted about Amazon.

He's a guy I know about two blocks away. My idea was to get him to do all my Amazon buys through my affiliate link and I would give him half my commissions - or something like that. I get an outsourcer" and his pay is taken care of. I figure even if he doesn't want the bother, I could go over and order from his house.

I'm not a native black or even gray hatter, so I'm not sure I want to go this route.
You may be right, watcher30, probably not worth the risk/hassle... and don't forget - Karma!

Extor,

Why do you or anyone else want to consider splitting affiliate commissions that are 7% (give or take)?

Do you really want to put yourselves in front of a train over 4% of something?

And you do know, what you are doing is for profit and the income is declarable, right? This means when you settle-up with the IRS, you have to claim those commissions - in their entirety.

Or your buddy will have to be down for one half.

And what do you do when you sell 20-30 of the items - or 100 - and all those sales come through your affiliate link?

An Amazon affiliate link is going to become a even bigger deal than it is now. When you lose yours over bullshit, it is a sure bet you will regret it.

The same applies to a Kindle account - when it is gone - it is usually really gone. Just try putting some lame PLR up for sale as your own book.

Lot of people lose their Amazon accounts and most genuinely cry about it. As fast as Ebay will shut you down for low DSRs and lots of other things - Amazon will do it even faster and with zero warning!

And the larger point still remains, why are you guys are doing this with a small money mentality?

There are lots of uses for an Amazon affiliate link - this isn't one of them.

If 7% is going to make or break you, you are either being greedy or dumb - neither is a good thing.

And you probably need to be doing something else. As simple as arbitrage is, there are lots of people that never really get it or make it work.

Hell, you can see a couple of mindless m.orons posting here that are still speculating about all the things that can't be done but can't give even a bad example.

It is easy to sit in the cheap seats and never do anything - but know everything that everyone else is doing wrong.

I am still waiting to see their videos and how they make their millions. Most of them are just broke street people - probably mouthing the words as they type their hate posts on free computers at public libraries.

They couldn't make this work if they got stuff for free. I toss a few bucks at people like this all the time.

They are the ones on street corners with the signs that say:

"Need a dollar for a Macdonalds's Hamburger."

Don't let a few struggles and comments made by some that are frustrated with early results influence anything you do.

Most of you can do this, but it usually won't happen overnight. If it was so easy, everyone would be doing it.

This is not hard, but it isn't for everybody.

Hi Quasar much respect for spending your valuable time in supporting and encouraging the "young entrepreneurs" here on BBHF! Being myself in the entrepreneur fences for over two decades I can say out of experience that arbitrage has worked long time ago and it will work for years to come. To the haters,sceptics and naysayers I want to say that the mindset will make or break you in any endeavour guys. Don´t just focus on amazon and ebay in regard of arbitrage. This is only a fraction of the possiblities. Think outside of the box! I´ve been successful with systems where others failed miserably and called it full of crap! Taking massive action,persistence a being creativ is the key to the kingdom. Reps added

P.S. I´m all about outsourcing myself and couldn´t agree more with what you said: YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND GET GOOD AT THE BASICS FIRST BEFORE YOU OUTSOURCE!

(02-14-2014 02:19 AM)Quasar Wrote: [ -> ]Guys,

Please tell me you are joking here!


Sales tax is kicking you out of profit or into negative margins?


Do I even need to say the words?

You aren't even close to having the right products to sell!

This means most of you don't have margins that can cover less than 10% in most cases!

That is pitiful and I am 200% certain you can do better. If you cannot recoup sales tax in your selling margins, keep looking for other products - you haven't found acceptable ones yet.

And once again, yes the subject of Tony's ebook was Amazon, but there are lots of other online retailers that are happy to sell you products - some with - some without - sales tax.

When you are confronted with hurdles like this, expand your thinking to include other venues.

But I don't get it once again - It is just baffles the hell out of me!

Amazon is full of stuff that you can make two or more times cost on. Sales tax should be something you are laughing about.

I cannot (and will not) do this for you. It is a basic model that has worked for longer than any of us has been alive. You've got to keep researching and do this stuff.

Why is it some of you are writing me and telling me you feel like you are stealing while doing this - while others of you cannot even find stuff that covers f*cking sales tax and gets you into NICE profits?!!

And who the f*ck cares about watchers?! Watchers are a tiny metric that means you've got fence-sitters. If you have lots of watchers and no sales, what does this tell you?

I know you are replying to multiple people here, and I never wrote specifically to you about sales tax. What I did was pay the $20 to see if there was any tweaks or extras to see during a 2 hour live webcast. We were told to shoot for products that cost over $35 and after subtracting 15% for paypal and ebays fees, still make at least $5. I thought that amount a little low, so I listed products that made around $20. I still only have about 30 products listed, but I work 70 hours a week at a company that I own and started 3 years ago. In the training I got, we were told that only about 25% of the sales would lose us money due to sales tax because only 15 or so states have sales tax. Im thinking this math is wrong because of the population in those states. Sure I could raise the price of a $90 toaster that cost me $50 to $100 so I could make up that 9% sales tax, but that would put me $10 over the highest listing since Im already one of the highest listings on all of my listings.

(02-14-2014 08:49 AM)dirkg Wrote: [ -> ]
I know you are replying to multiple people here, and I never wrote specifically to you about sales tax. What I did was pay the $20 to see if there was any tweaks or extras to see during a 2 hour live webcast. We were told to shoot for products that cost over $35 and after subtracting 15% for paypal and ebays fees, still make at least $5. I thought that amount a little low, so I listed products that made around $20. I still only have about 30 products listed, but I work 70 hours a week at a company that I own and started 3 years ago. In the training I got, we were told that only about 25% of the sales would lose us money due to sales tax because only 15 or so states have sales tax. Im thinking this math is wrong because of the population in those states. Sure I could raise the price of a $90 toaster that cost me $50 to $100 so I could make up that 9% sales tax, but that would put me $10 over the highest listing since Im already one of the highest listings on all of my listings.

No actually, I am glad you posted. You are far from alone in looking at this myopically.

First, you are making an assumption that IF you list your toaster for $10 more that no one will buy it.

What do you think my message has been about in discussing all the sellers at all different price points - but especially the high ones?

Why (and how) do people sell the exact same item for $10 more - or $20 more - or even $30 more?

Second, This is yet another assumption. You are drawing a conclusion that is not based on either empirical data OR experience in listing the item at a higher price.

You don't know - you are assuming it won't sell.

If you watched my videos, why do I specifically tell you to make your listings just 10% better than the ones other sellers are using? Surely, you don't think or believe I do that without a good reason or just for aesthetics.

A: People will buy because they like your ad better - you deliver better information - or just project a better - or friendlier - or more honest - or more professional SELLING PRESENCE.

Hell, they may just like your layout or the picture better.

They understand it and they buy.

Third, the biggest screw-up I see sellers make is assuming everyone shops! Not everyone does - we only assume everyone shops around because we do, and what they are looking for is always -

the best price!

That is the mother of all f*ck-ups as a seller, and will cost you more money than any other consideration.

How many times have I also said I am rarely - if ever - the lowest priced seller in ANY VENUE?!

I don't write that to impress everyone - it is a fact. And I don't need to give stuff away - I never work in zero or negative margin territory.

I deliver good info, good pics, and eliminate all the risks for the buyer.

This is my biggest advantage and can be yours too.

As a professional copywriter, I don't sell you a d.amn thing - I DO eliminate EVERY reason for you not to buy from me.

And this ain't hard.

In fact, on Ebay, it's simple because there are so few professional sellers - most are hobbyists.

I don't know how or why no one seems to be getting this point. Everyone is paralyzed over losing nickels and dimes.

If you are still stuck over price - cannot find goods to sell - cannot overcome the boxes - etc. - as of right now - you need to move on to something else.

I AM REALLY TIRED OF HEARING THE CRIES OF:

PITY ME - I CAN"T MAKE ANY F*CKING MONEY BECAUSE OF BOXES, OR SALES TAX, OR YOU CANNOT FIND ANYTHING TO SELL - OR SOME OTHER TOTALLY LAME-A.SS EXCUSE!

IF THIS IS YOU - YOU DO NOT GET THIS - or even the most basic concepts of selling and arbitrage!

There is NEVER a reason good enough for you to lose a f*cking cent on a sale!

It is nothing but a supposition or conjecture existing between your ears (and lots of ears here) that people will stop buying from you because you have higher prices.

That is total bullshit!

I sell for higher prices any - every - time I sell on Ebay or ANYWHERE!

If the item costs you more to source, don't cut your f*cking prices - instead, give people better reasons to buy from you at higher prices.

This phenomenon that is baffling all of you is a regular practice and happens every single day in every kind of commerce - online and offline that you can name.

Why are there 100 brands of washing machines?

Because, as people, we all have different triggers that cause us to buy.

You guys want to make this sales process different - why? What the h.ell is different?

Why wouldn't someone pay you more money if you do things just a little better?

Every one of you buys stuff and overpays - just about every day. Price does not drive anything - except maybe in the news, where they try to scare the p.iss out of people every day.

Why did you buy a hamburger for $10 for lunch today at the hamburger boutique when Jack in the Box will sell you one for $3 or less?

People spend more money than they have to in order to get the things they want every day - don't assume they won't pay you more money to get what they want just because you're at a higher price.

Thanks Quasar!! +Rep Added!!

(02-14-2014 10:29 AM)Quasar Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks you Quasar. All of your posts are very valuable for me and full of priceless info on marketing. But this one is really the top one for me. Especially your phrase ' instead, give people better reasons to buy from you at higher prices.' is the heart and soul of this system I think. Or better yet the core of any trading system. If you provide people value, they will pay you in return. The price is a very little concern, at least for many. I personally prefer paying more for an item if I think I am getting more value in any regards.

(02-14-2014 10:29 AM)Quasar Wrote: [ -> ]Another rep added for you, your mentoring and wisdom deserves more.

(02-14-2014 10:29 AM)Quasar Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-14-2014 10:29 AM)Quasar Wrote: [ -> ]Kaan

(02-14-2014 08:49 AM)dirkg Wrote: [ -> ]
I know you are replying to multiple people here, and I never wrote specifically to you about sales tax. What I did was pay the $20 to see if there was any tweaks or extras to see during a 2 hour live webcast. We were told to shoot for products that cost over $35 and after subtracting 15% for paypal and ebays fees, still make at least $5. I thought that amount a little low, so I listed products that made around $20. I still only have about 30 products listed, but I work 70 hours a week at a company that I own and started 3 years ago. In the training I got, we were told that only about 25% of the sales would lose us money due to sales tax because only 15 or so states have sales tax. Im thinking this math is wrong because of the population in those states. Sure I could raise the price of a $90 toaster that cost me $50 to $100 so I could make up that 9% sales tax, but that would put me $10 over the highest listing since Im already one of the highest listings on all of my listings.

No actually, I am glad you posted. You are far from alone in looking at this myopically.

First, you are making an assumption that IF you list your toaster for $10 more that no one will buy it.

What do you think my message has been about in discussing all the sellers at all different price points - but especially the high ones?

Why (and how) do people sell the exact same item for $10 more - or $20 more - or even $30 more?

Second, This is yet another assumption. You are drawing a conclusion that is not based on either empirical data OR experience in listing the item at a higher price.

You don't know - you are assuming it won't sell.

If you watched my videos, why do I specifically tell you to make your listings just 10% better than the ones other sellers are using? Surely, you don't think or believe I do that without a good reason or just for aesthetics.

A: People will buy because they like your ad better - you deliver better information - or just project a better - or friendlier - or more honest - or more professional SELLING PRESENCE.

Hell, they may just like your layout or the picture better.

They understand it and they buy.

Third, the biggest screw-up I see sellers make is assuming everyone shops! Not everyone does - we only assume everyone shops around because we do, and what they are looking for is always -

the best price!

That is the mother of all f*ck-ups as a seller, and will cost you more money than any other consideration.

How many times have I also said I am rarely - if ever - the lowest priced seller in ANY VENUE?!

I don't write that to impress everyone - it is a fact. And I don't need to give stuff away - I never work in zero or negative margin territory.

I deliver good info, good pics, and eliminate all the risks for the buyer.

This is my biggest advantage and can be yours too.

As a professional copywriter, I don't sell you a d.amn thing - I DO eliminate EVERY reason for you not to buy from me.

And this ain't hard.

In fact, on Ebay, it's simple because there are so few professional sellers - most are hobbyists.

I don't know how or why no one seems to be getting this point. Everyone is paralyzed over losing nickels and dimes.

If you are still stuck over price - cannot find goods to sell - cannot overcome the boxes - etc. - as of right now - you need to move on to something else.

I AM REALLY TIRED OF HEARING THE CRIES OF:

PITY ME - I CAN"T MAKE ANY F*CKING MONEY BECAUSE OF BOXES, OR SALES TAX, OR YOU CANNOT FIND ANYTHING TO SELL - OR SOME OTHER TOTALLY LAME-A.SS EXCUSE!

IF THIS IS YOU - YOU DO NOT GET THIS - or even the most basic concepts of selling and arbitrage!

There is NEVER a reason good enough for you to lose a f*cking cent on a sale!

It is nothing but a supposition or conjecture existing between your ears (and lots of ears here) that people will stop buying from you because you have higher prices.

That is total bullshit!

I sell for higher prices any - every - time I sell on Ebay or ANYWHERE!

If the item costs you more to source, don't cut your f*cking prices - instead, give people better reasons to buy from you at higher prices.

This phenomenon that is baffling all of you is a regular practice and happens every single day in every kind of commerce - online and offline that you can name.

Why are there 100 brands of washing machines?

Because, as people, we all have different triggers that cause us to buy.

You guys want to make this sales process different - why? What the h.ell is different?

Why wouldn't someone pay you more money if you do things just a little better?

Every one of you buys stuff and overpays - just about every day. Price does not drive anything - except maybe in the news, where they try to scare the p.iss out of people every day.

Why did you buy a hamburger for $10 for lunch today at the hamburger boutique when Jack in the Box will sell you one for $3 or less?

People spend more money than they have to in order to get the things they want every day - don't assume they won't pay you more money to get what they want just because you're at a higher price.

---

Thanks you Quasar. All of your posts are very valuable for me and full of priceless info on marketing. But this one is really the top one for me. Especially your phrase 'instead, give people better reasons to buy from you at higher prices.' is the heart and soul of this system I think. Or better yet the core of any trading system. If you provide people value, they will pay you in return. The price is a very little concern, at least for many. I personally prefer paying more for an item if I think I am getting more value in any regards.

Another rep added for you, your mentoring and wisdom deserves more.
Kaan

(02-14-2014 10:29 AM)Quasar Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-14-2014 08:49 AM)dirkg Wrote: [ -> ]
I know you are replying to multiple people here, and I never wrote specifically to you about sales tax. What I did was pay the $20 to see if there was any tweaks or extras to see during a 2 hour live webcast. We were told to shoot for products that cost over $35 and after subtracting 15% for paypal and ebays fees, still make at least $5. I thought that amount a little low, so I listed products that made around $20. I still only have about 30 products listed, but I work 70 hours a week at a company that I own and started 3 years ago. In the training I got, we were told that only about 25% of the sales would lose us money due to sales tax because only 15 or so states have sales tax. Im thinking this math is wrong because of the population in those states. Sure I could raise the price of a $90 toaster that cost me $50 to $100 so I could make up that 9% sales tax, but that would put me $10 over the highest listing since Im already one of the highest listings on all of my listings.

No actually, I am glad you posted. You are far from alone in looking at this myopically.

First, you are making an assumption that IF you list your toaster for $10 more that no one will buy it.

What do you think my message has been about in discussing all the sellers at all different price points - but especially the high ones?

Why (and how) do people sell the exact same item for $10 more - or $20 more - or even $30 more?

Second, This is yet another assumption. You are drawing a conclusion that is not based on either empirical data OR experience in listing the item at a higher price.

You don't know - you are assuming it won't sell.

If you watched my videos, why do I specifically tell you to make your listings just 10% better than the ones other sellers are using? Surely, you don't think or believe I do that without a good reason or just for aesthetics.

A: People will buy because they like your ad better - you deliver better information - or just project a better - or friendlier - or more honest - or more professional SELLING PRESENCE.

Hell, they may just like your layout or the picture better.

They understand it and they buy.

Third, the biggest screw-up I see sellers make is assuming everyone shops! Not everyone does - we only assume everyone shops around because we do, and what they are looking for is always -

the best price!

That is the mother of all f*ck-ups as a seller, and will cost you more money than any other consideration.

How many times have I also said I am rarely - if ever - the lowest priced seller in ANY VENUE?!

I don't write that to impress everyone - it is a fact. And I don't need to give stuff away - I never work in zero or negative margin territory.

I deliver good info, good pics, and eliminate all the risks for the buyer.

This is my biggest advantage and can be yours too.

As a professional copywriter, I don't sell you a d.amn thing - I DO eliminate EVERY reason for you not to buy from me.

And this ain't hard.

In fact, on Ebay, it's simple because there are so few professional sellers - most are hobbyists.

I don't know how or why no one seems to be getting this point. Everyone is paralyzed over losing nickels and dimes.

If you are still stuck over price - cannot find goods to sell - cannot overcome the boxes - etc. - as of right now - you need to move on to something else.

I AM REALLY TIRED OF HEARING THE CRIES OF:

PITY ME - I CAN"T MAKE ANY F*CKING MONEY BECAUSE OF BOXES, OR SALES TAX, OR YOU CANNOT FIND ANYTHING TO SELL - OR SOME OTHER TOTALLY LAME-A.SS EXCUSE!

IF THIS IS YOU - YOU DO NOT GET THIS - or even the most basic concepts of selling and arbitrage!

There is NEVER a reason good enough for you to lose a f*cking cent on a sale!

It is nothing but a supposition or conjecture existing between your ears (and lots of ears here) that people will stop buying from you because you have higher prices.

That is total bullshit!

I sell for higher prices any - every - time I sell on Ebay or ANYWHERE!

If the item costs you more to source, don't cut your f*cking prices - instead, give people better reasons to buy from you at higher prices.

This phenomenon that is baffling all of you is a regular practice and happens every single day in every kind of commerce - online and offline that you can name.

Why are there 100 brands of washing machines?

Because, as people, we all have different triggers that cause us to buy.

You guys want to make this sales process different - why? What the h.ell is different?

Why wouldn't someone pay you more money if you do things just a little better?

Every one of you buys stuff and overpays - just about every day. Price does not drive anything - except maybe in the news, where they try to scare the p.iss out of people every day.

Why did you buy a hamburger for $10 for lunch today at the hamburger boutique when Jack in the Box will sell you one for $3 or less?

People spend more money than they have to in order to get the things they want every day - don't assume they won't pay you more money to get what they want just because you're at a higher price.

LOL...If you guys wanna know how to really save 1000s of dollars when buying from amazon and selling to ebay, PM me. I've helped so many people with this.

(02-16-2014 02:09 AM)goramora69 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL...If you guys wanna know how to really save 1000s of dollars when buying from amazon and selling to ebay, PM me. I've helped so many people with this.

Yes, anyone can see you are clearly a sales and marketing wizard on Amazon and elsewhere with your join date of a couple of days ago and your huge volume of posts.

And not to mention the incredible wisdom you must surely possess.

All the kiddies and sub-80 IQ mentally handicapped I know use high level intellectual terms like these.

You surely have what also must be an unending litany of clever acronyms to convince people of your ability to generate huge sums of money online.

Did it take every brain cell you have to come-up with the acronym "LOL?" It wasn't too much trouble to type those three letters on your mommy's keyboard, was it?

By the way, does your mom and dad know you are playing on their PC and trying to bother the adults?

His Pm to posters on this thread was a laugh also.

(02-16-2014 02:49 AM)Quasar Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-16-2014 02:09 AM)goramora69 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL...If you guys wanna know how to really save 1000s of dollars when buying from amazon and selling to ebay, PM me. I've helped so many people with this.

Yes, anyone can see you are clearly a sales and marketing wizard on Amazon and elsewhere with your join date of a couple of days ago and your huge volume of posts.

And not to mention the incredible wisdom you must surely possess.

All the kiddies and sub-80 IQ mentally handicapped I know use high level intellectual terms like these.

You surely have what also must be an unending litany of clever acronyms to convince people of your ability to generate huge sums of money online.

Did it take every brain cell you have to come-up with the acronym "LOL?" It wasn't too much trouble to type those three letters on your mommy's keyboard, was it?

By the way, does your mom and dad know you are playing on their PC and trying to bother the adults?

Here is an email I just got from the rocket scientist above claiming he can do Amazon OR Ebay OR ANYTHING!

Even as casual readers/observers, how many things can you find wrong with his "offer?"

My exact response is underneath "Nelson's":

Do you sell from amazon to ebay?

Well, I've helped so many people save THOUSANDS of dollars doing so. By buying the amazon products via an affiliate.

Now you migt think that you can do it on your own. But...your account
will be suspended. So what i'm suggesting, is that me(a 5-figure,
experienced affiliate with amazon)who gets like minimum 5, maximum 100
orders per day- be the affiliate.
So assume you buy $10,000 worth of
stuff from amazon. With me, I get my commision-arround 6.5%(depending
on my monthly sales) and get $650-800, we split the commisio 300 350 and
both profit.
Now If you bought 10k from your own affiliate link,not
only would you would be suspended, but you would just get 4% commision!
So you can think of it like this: through me, you save more, and dont
run the risk of suspension. I even have more ideas I will be happy to
share with you, once we start working together. Add me on skype-we can
talk there (id:neljems)

-Nelson, your future business partner

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

On my worst day of arbitrage - and no I don't JUST do ebay OR Amazon, I could
buy and sell you and the volume of business you do in an entire MONTH!

YOU are small time bubba!


Any of you have any more questions about the geniuses posting in this thread that claim they know how to make boatloads of money online?

On Amazon - or Ebay - or Anywhere?

I do get legitimate emails from REAL online marketers every day.

This guy is a joke!

He is dreaming if he earns even 1% of the money or number of sales he claims!

But he sure would like to get inside my business to find out how it is done!

(Nice try Mr. Wizard, but lots smarter people than you try this every day! You are nothing but a dreaming wannabe!)