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(07-07-2022 11:40 PM)jimmythesaint Wrote: [ -> ]im over 60.. in the best health of my life.. no injection

a friends son 6 years old got very sick from the Mrna jab.. he almost died..

when he told me.. I said

not my problem

dont complain to me

In your avatar you don't look a day over 40......lol!

Yeah, we should trust Big Pharma....riiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhttttttt

Even on Wikipedia, it shows the HUGE fines (in the $hundreds of millions and even $billions) they paid for fraud, payoffs (kickbacks), poor manufacturing practices, off label promotion, false claims, etc....

Wiki - Pharma Civil Payouts for Fraud, etc...



Now I'm NOT saying we should stop all research into new drugs but there should be a valid risk analysis for what drugs are being used for vs what potential side effects can be (those that are known up-front and when future side effects are found out through wide usage experience) and maybe even restructure the medical teaching process from a treatment of symptoms method to a reduction of the actual cause method of treatment. For example, before drugs are the first choice (or only choice given by a doctor), trying to get the patient to treat the cause of the affliction....obesity, smoking, sugar intake, diet, sedentary lifestyle, alcohol, illegal drugs, stress, etc...rather than just treating the symptoms.

(07-08-2022 05:07 AM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ]What cult?
We simply want to be able to choose what goes into our bodies or doesn't, along with being left alone without threats of being fired, losing our rights (not being

"if we CHOOSE not to get the untested, experimental Covid "vaccination"."
- it's no more experimental/untested. Why do you trust ivermectin? How long have you been studying about ivermectin?

"That is called FREE WILL"
- in a pandemic, call it free kill

"I don't care if you take the shot and 100 boosters"
- only 4 shots (at this moment).

"all said once vaccinated you WOULDN'T get Covid and therefore wouldn't be able to spread it....BOTH WERE LIES!"
- I didn't get sick, so it was NOT a lie to me. Additionaly I take one shot each year agaisn influenza. New mutations, new shots needed.

"I'm sure you are going to say but the data shows more non vaccinated than vaccinated are dying.....yeah, okay, you can believe that if you want"
- I don't have to believe, I know people working in health services. No need to believe in any source of numbers - but the numbers that the brazilian government tried to hide from us usually follows what happens in real world.

"let's not forget about the FDA saying they would take 55 to 75 years to get the Pfizer drug info out to scientists because they are just so,"
Let me tell you the "Truth : FDA Did NOT Ask For 75 Years To Release Pfizer Vaccine Data! This is really just some “creative hyperbole” by Aaron Siri, the lawyer working on this FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request."
see https://www.techarp.com/science/fda-75-y...cine-data/

- "a virus with a death rate of less than 1% and only those that are very old, obese and/or have several comorbidities (diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.)???????"
You know that this is a lie. In Brazil it's 2%.
April 2021: With 4 cases in a month, Brazil is the leader in Olympic athletes killed with covid.
https://www.uol.com.br/esporte/colunas/o.../04/14/com

Covid kills Ian Matos, 32 yo, brazilian olympic athlete
https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/esporte...de-janeiro

"if child Covid deaths are less than .01% why would you need to give "vaccinations" to these children and risk side effects both now and potentially in the future since there have been NO LONG TERM tests done?"

Covid-19 has already killed more than 1,400 children from zero to 11 years old in Brazil and left thousands more with sequels
The disease is among the top 10 causes of death in children and is the cause of a syndrome that affects the heart and can kill
https://butantan.gov.br/noticias/covid-1...m-sequelas

"you might want to do some historical research to find out....here's a shocker......Gov'ts, politicians, doctor's, scientists and other professional LIE! History is littered with deadly examples."
An antivaxes are exactly what?? They lie as much or more than politicians. Are they the saviors of the world? If you take Viagra you entrust your penis to Pfizer, without requiring scientific studies on side effects. I'm not seeing "antiviagrers".
But vaccines... "Oh no, it's the dangerous big pharma!"

Vivekananda its a shame you're health is so weak to constantly need pharmaceutical interventions

most of society is like this especially in the U.S.

I'm 60 now in the best shape of my life.. never had a flu shot.. no synthetic mrna jab

haven't even gotten a cold in 10 years

i follow sauna protocols as well as others

just deadlifted 390lbs for 5 reps

i wish you a speedy recovery from your illness

Vivekananda....
This "vaccine" has NOT been tested long term, which makes it experimental and untested (long term), that is a simple FACT, not an opinion.
Ivermectin has been on the market for over 30 year's now with very few and uncommon side effects and those are minor. Ivermectin is given as a prophylactic in India and Africa to treat common ailments and could very well be why those area's of the world have NOT seen a significant level of Covid related deaths.

"in a pandemic, call it free kill"?????
That doesn't make sense as "vaccinated" people are just as likely to get and infect anyone with Covid as unvaccinated people are. There is NO difference and therefore your statement is illogical.

"I didn't get sick, so it was NOT a lie to me." - Really? Are you seriously going to use that as "evidence" they didn't in FACT lie to the world about what the "vaccinations" were for and were supposed to do (prevent you from getting Covid and spreading it, when they now are publicly admitting this is NOT true at all). You not getting it just means that you also wouldn't have gotten it if you hadn't gotten the shot, AS PER WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY ADMITTING TO since so many "vaccinated" people HAVE gotten infected with Covid that they couldn't go on lying about it. Again, this is common knowledge now being reported in the news and by the CDC.

Data is being manipulated with the number of covid deaths (because hospitals were getting paid money by the US gov't for each person that supposedly died of Covid whether true or not since it was an incentive to lie/fudge the death reports to get the hospital money. Simple greed through data manipulation. (as a side note, scientists have been caught changing/making up and manipulating global warming historical data red handed SEVERAL times...do a YT search for Tony Heller's channel if you want to learn more).

FDA absolutely DID say they would take 55-75 years to get Pfizer data out to the public/scientists to verify the data, that IS A FACT! A group of scientists had to sue the FDA to get them to chance that policy....see my past post for additional data on that with a credible source website.

Covid deaths in kids are less than .01% so there is NO need to "vaccinate" this age group at all. Simple risk analysis vs benefit should be enough for anyone with any common sense.

AGAIN, anti-vaxxers aren't forcing YOU or anyone else to NOT get a vaccine shot. If the Covid "vaccine" worked like regular past vaccines (ex: the polio vaccine or small pox vaccines) than it wouldn't matter if people CHOOSE to NOT get the vaccine, as the only people who would be able to contract the disease (polio or small pox in this case) would be the people who did NOT get the vaccine, those who got the vaccine would NOT get it, period. This however is not the case with the so called Covid "vaccines" as after the shot you can STILL get Covid but it still has nothing to do with whether a person gets the shot as both vaxxed and unvaxxed can get and spread the virus.

Ask yourself, if this was a "once in a lifetime pandemic" and although I'm fine with the big pharma co's getting their money back for the research and testing of these drugs along with a modest profit (say what other big industries profited during this time), why have people like Dr. Death Fauci and CEO's of Pharma's made BILLIONS off the misery of this virus that was financed by Dr. Death Fauci and manufactured by the Chinese Gov't???????? Why have they forced doctor's to NOT use Ivermectin and other drugs that could potentially help Covid patients and charged gov't around the world for the useless, untested, experimental Covid "vaccines" that don't work like past vaccines, require you to keep purchasing additional boosters and have shielded themselves from future lawsuits if adverse side effects take hold in the future from those that got jabbed????

Do yourself a lifelong favor and look into and research, medical training that focuses on treating the underlying cause(s) rather than what they currently do which is to mostly only treat the symptoms with drugs, surgeries, etc....
I'm all for Capitalism and making money, but NOT at the expense of human suffering especially when the medical profession is supposed to follow a do no harm philosophy.

(01-18-2022 10:15 AM)wolfman Wrote: [ -> ]You can either be a victim or take control. If you take control you will discover that you are responsible for your own wellness. Lifestyle choices, living in the past-stress, willingly poisoning your body with drugs and alcohol all harm your immune system which limits the ability of your body to fight disease. Literally everything in all vaccines is classified as a poison. If vaccines do anything they spread disease.
The germ theory is unproven which is why it is called a theory. They have been trying hard to prove it for more than 100 years but have never done this in a lab setting. They want to prove it because it is a money maker. They can't tell you you're strong and can handle disease all on your own. Healthy independent people aren't recurring customers.
For some reason people want to believe that they are helpless and need to rely on BigP and Govt for their safety. BigP has a profit motive that they adhere to and make no mistake, that is their only priority. They could care less if you live, die or suffer. And do I need to say anything about Governments. If you think the government has your best interests in mind you don't have one. A mind that is.
Read Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals. It explains in great detail the procedure for converting a free market economy to a socialist and then a communist one. That is what this is about. A power grab and they are following the process to the letter.
But if it makes you feel better letting someone who doesn't care about your safety making personal decisions for you and your family then knock yourself out. Get as many kill shots as you want. They're trying to get the world population down to 500 Million so your cooperation is greatly appreciated.

This whole "reduce the worlds population to 500 Million" BS is straight from the stupid Georgia Guidestones (which thankfully someone blew up last week....to funny. Inspired (allegedly) by God, taken out by TNT.) IF "the powers that be" wanted to reduce the worlds population to 1/2 Billion, they are VERY CRAPPY at their job. Covid will NEVER reduce the worlds population by more than a few million, if you take into account new births offsetting deaths. Yes, there has been slight change in the percentages, but this isn't just Covid. That being said...if the PTB wanted most of us dead, we'd see a worldwide, unstoppable outbreak of a "really serious" disease, like Ebola, or MERS, or Marburg. Something in the 40% to 80% death rate. NOT .01% or whatever the actual number is. It's pathetic on it's face to even make this claim.

(01-18-2022 04:18 AM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2022 03:30 AM)infoscan Wrote: [ -> ]I just take an example of one country, any country. If you know that most European countries have between 65 and 80% of their citizens vaccinated, this is proof of my statement that the virus in Omicron form is weak and not so dangerous as Covid-19 at the beginning of the pandemic. The "vaccine" people get is not a real vaccine, it consists of the genetic code of the Covid-19 virus, so the B and T cells in your body recognize the intruder and remember it for the future. At the same time, your immunity system will be activated to produce antibodies to fight the Covid-19 virus. As an example, I can take my own family. I was vaccinated one time and my wife was not vaccinated at all. We get a Covid-19 the same day. My period took one weak, but my wife was seak for 28 days, before she gets her negative test.

Glad to hear you and your wife are okay after a bout with Covid.
Once again your first statement about Omicron and the first version of Covid is true yet that doesn't have anything to do with mandating vaccinations or the fact that once vaccinated you can still get and spread the virus (just like the unvaccinated).

So the only people that are affected by NOT getting the vaccine are the unvaccinated if that is what they choose to do. (or in this case NOT do).

I am all for vaccinations if you want to get them, but making it mandatory (or mandatory by default....losing your job, forced seclusion or covid camps, vaccine passports to travel anywhere or not being able to go anywhere except to buy food nonsense, etc.) should be a criminal offense as this is STILL an experimental drug with UNKNOWN long term side effects and even current debilitating side effects for some people (see my last few posts for the graph).

Logically, groups (older and comorbidities) with higher death rates would make more sense to get vaccinated but in lower (around <0.01%) death rate groups the risks of getting vaccinated outweigh the benefits. At least when looked at from rational, common sense, and even scientific risk and statistical analysis viewpoints.

There is even some new scientific information that says, getting additional booster shots might LOWER a person's natural immune system....
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...m-ema-says

Infoscan 'should' understand his personal example is just anecdotal, as are all 'examples', until you have a pattern and cumulative evidence, it's almost meaningless. Here's another 'personal' example that may or may not mean anything. My daughters' family.
My daughter, 35yo, got both shots. Her fiance' and their 9yo (at the time) daughter did not. They all ended up with Covid. The 9yo recovered in a few days. Her fiance' in about 4 days or so. My daughter, the only one vaxxed, took almost 2 weeks to recover. Makes no sense vs. the "science". Also, just an anecdote.

(07-07-2022 11:17 AM)Vivekananda Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-07-2022 03:55 AM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ]Working today but you might want to check these FACTS.....

after all Pfizer had agreed to share their data with the public after "only" 75 years!!!!! No need to be suspicious over that at all.

Maybe it's a hoax:
"Fact #1 : FDA Did Not Ask For 75 Years To Release Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Data"

https://www.techarp.com/science/fda-75-y...cine-data/

This whole "Pfizer wanted 75 years" to release this info is a bit convoluted. The reality is 'at the rate' they were releasing the info, 500 documents a day, with a staff of 10, it would take nearly 75 years to get it all out, according to some sources. A judge told them to 'hire more people' and get it out. They were ordered to release 12,000 pages by Jan. 31st, then 55,000 pages per month by a judge in Texas on 1/6/22. I don't know where that stands currently.

(07-14-2022 07:30 AM)darkweb Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-07-2022 11:17 AM)Vivekananda Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-07-2022 03:55 AM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ]Working today but you might want to check these FACTS.....

after all Pfizer had agreed to share their data with the public after "only" 75 years!!!!! No need to be suspicious over that at all.

Maybe it's a hoax:
"Fact #1 : FDA Did Not Ask For 75 Years To Release Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Data"

https://www.techarp.com/science/fda-75-y...cine-data/

This whole "Pfizer wanted 75 years" to release this info is a bit convoluted. The reality is 'at the rate' they were releasing the info, 500 documents a day, with a staff of 10, it would take nearly 75 years to get it all out, according to some sources. A judge told them to 'hire more people' and get it out. They were ordered to release 12,000 pages by Jan. 31st, then 55,000 pages per month by a judge in Texas on 1/6/22. I don't know where that stands currently.

I said it was Pfizer however after more research on this issue it was actually the FDA that was the holdup (for 75 years!!!) although I'm sure it was lobbying from Pfizer that had made them take this totally unacceptable, unscientific and ridiculous position...even more ridiculous is the fact that the FDA has over 18,000 employees and a budget of over $6.5 BILLION Dollars!!! And this information affects over 50% of the US Population and several billion more people throughout the world....
But no, only put a couple of people on this so that they and their children and their grandchildren can all have the same gov't job doing this for over 75 years (the Gov't ALWAYS goes over budget and over schedule). They should make their motto, FULL Transparency for your Grandchildren (as everyone that took the experimental, untested "vaccine" would be long dead (except for the children) and possibly from Covid "vaccine" side effects??????

(07-14-2022 08:21 AM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2022 07:30 AM)darkweb Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-07-2022 11:17 AM)Vivekananda Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-07-2022 03:55 AM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ]Working today but you might want to check these FACTS.....

after all Pfizer had agreed to share their data with the public after "only" 75 years!!!!! No need to be suspicious over that at all.

Maybe it's a hoax:
"Fact #1 : FDA Did Not Ask For 75 Years To Release Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Data"

https://www.techarp.com/science/fda-75-y...cine-data/

This whole "Pfizer wanted 75 years" to release this info is a bit convoluted. The reality is 'at the rate' they were releasing the info, 500 documents a day, with a staff of 10, it would take nearly 75 years to get it all out, according to some sources. A judge told them to 'hire more people' and get it out. They were ordered to release 12,000 pages by Jan. 31st, then 55,000 pages per month by a judge in Texas on 1/6/22. I don't know where that stands currently.

I said it was Pfizer however after more research on this issue it was actually the FDA that was the holdup (for 75 years!!!) although I'm sure it was lobbying from Pfizer that had made them take this totally unacceptable, unscientific and ridiculous position...even more ridiculous is the fact that the FDA has over 18,000 employees and a budget of over $6.5 BILLION Dollars!!! And this information affects over 50% of the US Population and several billion more people throughout the world....
But no, only put a couple of people on this so that they and their children and their grandchildren can all have the same gov't job doing this for over 75 years (the Gov't ALWAYS goes over budget and over schedule). They should make their motto, FULL Transparency for your Grandchildren (as everyone that took the experimental, untested "vaccine" would be long dead (except for the children) and possibly from Covid "vaccine" side effects??????

Of course it was government foot dragging. Nothing new here. It's still 'up in the air' whether this tranche of documents aided either side, one way or the other. We're a bunch of 'alleged' black hatters arguing over intricate scientific and medical information way above our pay grade. In the end, I ended up with the first two shots (Pfizer). First shot felt like almost nothing was administered at all. Didn't feel the needle nor the injection. If memory serves, zero sensations at all, and zero side effects. It was midway between the two shots that I started coming across a lot of the anti-shot material (got into serious arguments over this with Smithnowt in his thread back in early 2021) After my second shot, I got what I was told might occur, fairly sluggish and flu like symptoms for the entire day after the 2nd shot. However, I developed a 'palm sized' rash at the shot location that lasted almost 6 weeks.
That was it for me. I'm done with these shots. No boosters for me.
It was after this that the incident with my Daughter took place with her family's experience.
If I keel over anytime soon, it will take some serious investigations to figure out what did me in. My sister died of a massive stroke in 2009. She was, and I am, a heavy smoker, drink tons of coffee laden with sugar and have been somewhat sedentary since my last real job in 2015. Although the sedentary part has helped me put on weight over the last 7 years, I'm far from obese. Just out of shape since my last 'running my *ss off job'.
Not gonna get anymore vax. Now just trying to avoid "monkeys".