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(10-25-2022 09:41 AM)Lumos Wrote: [ -> ]Adding to the above...
Here are my 2 main questions about 'the scam wich is modern , capitalist, " medical science " :

1 - How is it possible for so few (otherwise intelligent) folks to take notice that the MedicoSci establishment CURES NOTHING ?!?

B - Since it has been made to LOOK like everyone NEEDS the above dysfunctional establishment - why do folks put up with its gougings and wastes ??

As for me - I gave the whole MedicoSci thing up 30+ years ago - and have been healthier ever since.
That is/was my solution to this conundrum.

thanks for your reply and rep added

i have been studying what's going on earth for more than 25 years. (i am 46 )


the answer is very simple : most people are not on earth to ask questions

they live to work, eat , sleep , play and then die. they could care about understanding life

by the way this is what animals do : they eat, they play ,they reproduce ,they die

- - > animals do not ask question about the meaning of life. they are like machines

most people do not ask questions either. they are robots too ( as author Gurdjieff said in a book) . they follow the patterns of society without really understanding anything




most people could care less about the truth or the meanings of life or a legitimate society that follows the rules of nature

they could care less because there are not suposed to behave this way

the pareto principle says that 20 % of people ask questions and 80 % of people could care less about the truth


this is a fact of life


so this is easy for smart people to manage the masses for their goals ( money , whatever)



the masters of this world ( the initiates) have been taking peoples energy (energy= money ,time ,work , approval ,etc ) for 250 years, since " the democratic revolutions ' ( LOL) in France and the USA and so on



- - > so we can see that there are 2 groups of people in society:

1) people in the know ( they have a mission in life so they seek knowledge and meanings ) = less than 20 % of people

2)people who could care less about what i am saying here ( their " mission" is to watch TV and be good workers ) = 80 % of people








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how to know in wich group we belong ?

very simple

answer these questions

1) why are you alive ( meaning of life) ?

2 ) what's your mission in life according to your understanding of life ?

3) what's your overall philosophy ?

4) what's a legitimate society ?


- - > most people cannot answer these questions . more than 80 % of people will never be able to answer these question

i can answer them instantly . because i have been studying these questions for 25 years




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My motto is "Question Everything", don't assume anything. I read a few days ago that around 70% of the world's population has taken "the jab", that number seems to me a little high. It boggles my mind that most people did no research and simply followed the herd and got "vaccinated".

On a side note, my hatred for Big Pharma started years ago when I had to go to the doctor for an infection due to my employer changing the cleaning compounds they were using. Only one company made this particular drug and they owned the patent on it and it costs over $600 for a one month supply! The bottle for this drug only had the standard side effect "May cause drowsiness so don't operate heavy machinery".

When I did some research on that drug, I discovered that if you take it for longer than 30 days, you should get a blood test done because it could cause hepatitis! How many people might have taken that drug and got hepatitis and never knew it was because of that drug. Just another clear case of Big Pharma covering their ass so they wouldn't get sued!

(10-26-2022 11:48 PM)StillStanding Wrote: [ -> ]My motto is "Question Everything", don't assume anything. I read a few days ago that around 70% of the world's population has taken "the jab", that number seems to me a little high. It boggles my mind that most people did no research and simply followed the herd and got "vaccinated".

On a side note, my hatred for Big Pharma started years ago when I had to go to the doctor for an infection due to my employer changing the cleaning compounds they were using. Only one company made this particular drug and they owned the patent on it and it costs over $600 for a one month supply! The bottle for this drug only had the standard side effect "May cause drowsiness so don't operate heavy machinery".

When I did some research on that drug, I discovered that if you take it for longer than 30 days, you should get a blood test done because it could cause hepatitis! How many people might have taken that drug and got hepatitis and never knew it was because of that drug. Just another clear case of Big Pharma covering their ass so they wouldn't get sued!

Interesting take on this....
I am in my 50's and so I remember when vaccines actually did what they were supposed to do (prevented you from getting the disease) and no one questioned that since they for the most part worked as advertised (although like you said, with some research, you would find there were quite a few hiccups along the way...aka: the polio "vaccine" that actually gave some kids the polio disease because they had used the live virus instead of the dead virus, swine flu vaccines causing health issues, etc.).

I am a Capitalist and love Capitalism as it is the ONLY economic system that has been proven to work and raise people out of poverty and make industrious workers and business owners rich. Having said that, there do need to be checks put into place by governments (assuming they haven't been corrupted...YET) to keep a level playing field so everyone can have similar opportunities. (ie. anti-trust laws, insider trading laws (hello, Nancy Pelosi!), extortion, bribery, consumer protection, environmental protection, etc., including future generations.

Of course, with the criminal cartel family (Joe and Hunter) as President of the USA
and the rest of the woke, socialist, LGBTQRSTUV, corrupt gang running the show here, all bets are off.

As I said in a past post, this isn't really anything new, it's been going on for decades now however, in the past it was generally covered up and hidden, while now, it's in your face, outright lying/propaganda/misinformation/fraudulent data and research, and if you don't like it, tough Sh@#.

I can't believe as more and more young people are keeling over and dropping dead, the families of these young kids are saying, cr@# like, "we don't know what caused it", "It was out of the blue", "They said it was unexplained", "It happens"....and make up any God DA#$ BS excuse they can think of EXCEPT for the clot shot.
This is NOT normal!
This has ONLY been happening for the past two years (hmmmm, what could have happened in the past 2 years that was different?)
Insurance Companies are reporting the increased death rates (up to 40%) that are NOT Covid related. They also have said this is a HUGE anomaly that they haven't ever seen? REMEMBER, THEY SAID THIS WAS FOR NON COVID DEATHS!!!!!! (Note: go back in my posts to see the links for this info, if you want it)

- WTF? SERIOUSLY WTF?
-Why are people letting their loved ones be murdered and not questioning it?
-Where is the public outcry, rallies, marches on Washington D.C. to get these blood clots, athletic/young person heart attacks, increased cancer rates, etc. money to be researched to find the actual causes?
- Why haven't the autopsy reports been made public and put on a public database so researchers can use it to find statistical trends and for medical research?
- How the FU*# are 20 year old kids in TOP physical shape and top pro athletes dropping dead all over the world at astronomical rates and NO ONE IS SAYING SH#$ about it as to the underlying causes?
- Why aren't trials/committees/investigative congressional fact finding task forces/research panels, etc. being held IMMEDIATELY over this crisis?
- Why hasn't anyone asked what the REAL risk vs benefits analysis was/is for Covid? (and remember, that would be using the BS statistic's of vastly overblown covid death numbers here in the US due to the payments made to hospitals for every "covid" death reported)....just compare our death rates to India with 4x's the population and HALF the death rate compared to ours. (that just doesn't make sense in any statistical analysis...UNLESS Ivermectin actually works????? or as I said our numbers are BS, bogus, fudged to get more money for hospitals. Could also be as some one stated here, that India's numbers are too low.....but I would question that since there would be millions of bodies floating down the Ganges River if that were really true!
- If this vaccine was mandated to the German people in Germany during the late 1930's/early 1940's the world would be OUTRAGED and trails setup at Nuremburg for crimes against humanity for forcing a deadly "vaccine" against peoples will/rights/freedoms....(also, as per a previous post, laws WERE enacted after WWII to protect people from being given drugs against their will (although this was in the concentration camps and not the German people at large), but apparently, AGAIN, no one is questioning why those laws weren't followed today and bringing the law breakers (aka: Dr. Death Fauci, CDC Exec's, Big Pharma Exec's, Hospital Admins, Doctor's, Politicians, etc.) to justice.

Rant over....sorry, slow day...my fingers just kept typing as this subject gets me worked up over the whole absolute absurdity of it all.

Stay Strong!
Pure Blood for Life!
Never lose Faith!
Keep Grinding!
Have a Great Day!

You all make valid arguments and in my experience, people that read a lot and seek knowledge are the people that know the truth.

That being said, what type of natural cures are you guys using that you have found to be effective?

I am aware of the following (and more) but have not used it myself except for black seed oil that is used for a lot of ailments:

Cancer Cures:

Essiac Herbal Capsules
Hoxsey Herbal Therapy
Gerson Therapy
Vitamin B17 Amygdalin (Laetrile/ Vitamin B17)
Shark Cartilage
Mistletoe (Iscador therapy)
Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda)
Iodine Tincture for skin cancer.
Black Cumin

Other:
Chlorine dioxide (Not the Jim Humble MMS stuff... it is absolutely vile and 1 or 2 drops will make you puke. The chlorine dioxide solution made by Andreas Kalcker tastes like swimming pool water, but it is absolutely drinkable after dilution.)

Ground flaxseed and lemon juice.

A friend of mine had kidney stones and was urinating blood. He was seriously thinking of going to the doctor, but I gave him the following remedy and within a day or two he was cured after drinking one glass of the following mixture every two hours:

Equal proportions of 100% cranberry and 100% pineapple juice.
Add 2 tablespoons of lemon juice

"Some people were simply born for no other reason than to win a Darwin award."

"Sometimes the truth is right in front of us... truth is search and can only be found by stretching your horizon and widening your way of thinking."

"Truth, by its very nature, is belligerent, because it wages war against all forms of deception and Mind Control."

"Vaccine Hesitancy people are 'Highly Informed', 'Scientifically Literate' and 'Sophisticated' - Says MIT Study..."

Quick response to Diablofield's post/question...
I am not a doctor, but the one treatment I would highly recommend to all older men (50's +) would be to check out TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy).

As we age, we tend to lose the amount of usable Testosterone in our blood/system which can cause a lot of issues like high cholesterol levels, ED, lethargy, lower sex drive and lower sperm counts, reduced muscle mass, depression, obesity, brain fog, poor focus, etc. This is only enhanced by the estrogen laced foods and plastic's in our environment along with other factor's that are lowering overall male testosterone levels across the globe. (do a Google search if you want to know more)

It is safe and effective if combined with blood tests to measure all the vital statistics as reviewed by a doctor that is familiar with the therapy. Don't believe the BS you've heard about people dying taking steroids, out of control roid rage, chronic acne, etc. as 99% of that is nonsense. Except for the elite bodybuilders taking 10-20x's+ the recommended TRT amounts and idiots in the gym trying to get big to Fu@$ the girls, you would have nothing to worry about. Also, most bodybuilders dying are doing so because of diuretic drug issues to get them cut for contests that lower a person's water and potassium to fatal levels...With regular blood tests the only issue I've heard of is getting the correct dosage which might take some time and some additional meds to balance it out and you might have to donate blood more often as the red blood cells can multiply fast causing a thicker blood (not good)....again, simple fix, take 3 or 6 months blood tests, give blood if to thick, be happy. Also, one caveat....If you've taken the Covid shot/boosters you might not want to do this as a thicker blood with the potential clot shot issue might not be too good.

I know people that have had very high cholesterol and triglyceride levels who were taking statin drugs (with sh$%ty side effects, who after about 6 months of TRT came off the statins entirely and their levels are well within the normal range now.

This stuff works but you have to go to a doctor that is familiar with the therapy since most doctor's would rather you stay on the statin drug gravy train which has a LOT of side effects. True you will have to take the TRT drugs all your life and yes, I guess you can argue that is enriching the drug companies too, but in my non medical opinion at least you are getting REAL health BENEFITS, feeling 10x's better/stronger/fitter/younger/more energetic and the drug is supplementing the testosterone your body normally makes.

One more non medical opinion, many doctors say steroids are unsafe, they are ALL FULL OF SH#$.
My guess is they know how well these drugs work for men and because of that they are losing a lot of drug business with all the ailments men are NOT getting because the testosterone is "fixing" these age related male issues. Also common logic will tell you that body builders like Arnold, Ferrigno, etc. and actor's/athletes who are using them like Stallone, Hulk Hogan, The Rock, etc. are all alive and well and they have been using them for DECADES at WAY OVER TRT Maintenace levels....probably like 10 - 20x's the TRT amounts to build muscle really fast and keep it on.

Anabolic Steroids really are the fountain of youth for older men!
I personally am convinced that doctors could be saving millions of lives using them more (less heart attacks from lower cholesterol levels, better health overall, greater muscle/bone mass so less broken bones/hips, etc., better focus/energy so less car accidents, etc.), but it would put a HUGE dent in their medical business because many old age related ailments would simply disappear until men are well into their 80's and 90's.

Testosterone is a natural hormone that your body produces, but as you age your body produces less and less. Isn't it interesting that woman can go to their doctor's during menopause and get all the estrogen drugs they want and no one questions or bats an eyelash at all?

Only very recently has TRT been easily allowed to be prescribed by doctors to treat men and allow them to go home with the drugs to inject themselves with it. (yeah, sounds rough, but it's really not unless you have a phobia against needles).

If you are feeling run down, tired all the time, no energy, high cholesterol, take statins, ED issues, etc. you really owe it to yourself to find a TRT doctor and see if it's right for you. It might not be, but at least you tried all alternatives and this one has a very high success rate ...at least from everyone I know that has done it and told me their results (all favorable except one with a liver issue, because as Lumos said above ALL drugs can affect your liver, so you have to check that which is done via the blood test/analysis report. The guy above had liver issues already before taking TRT which is why he had to stop taking them).

Facebook has several TRT community groups where you can ask questions, find TRT doctor's, and/or programs that are close to you. (Some even do everything via phone and send the med's via US mail).

Hope that helps some of the older guys here, you really owe it to yourself to look into this and see if this is right for you.
If you want some additional info, I can send you a list of good books on the subject along with a good program to use, just PM me.

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guys you have to understand that this is hard and even dangerous to warn people about reality. truth seekers are often punished for their work

- - > because people have been programmed since birth to follow the social pattern WITHOUT QUESTIONNING ANYTHING ( see milgram experiment : obedience to authority

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment



people's thinking is made for them by the media and so on,

only a few personanality types can escape the social matrix

for example : the INTJ mastermind can see through society 's BS because he has the brain to seek superior truths.



https://www.personalityhacker.com/intj-p...lity-type/



-- > psychology says that no more than 7 % of people can escape the social matrix


read this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lonely_Crowd

wich means that more than 90 % of people will never know the truth about this world

ever

they will never ask questions, let alone do some research to expose the BS









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@Diablofield:
If one keeps in mind that the world at large is POWERED by utter BS built upon lies and misinformation - that is about 1/2 the battle for genuine health.

Adding to that - here in amurikka most of the grocery stores are at least 70% filled with krap that should NEVER be consumed as it is highly toxic.

Supplementation...
There is a new fad 'miracle' thing every week and that is enough to make a person broke, crazy - or both.

I quit ALL the medicosci baloney decades ago and have quite a journey that can be told - but this ain't the place for it and frankly lots of what I've discovered for myself cannot be posted openly without attracting the 'men in black', whom I wish to avoid.

So, in closing I will just say:
For an older guy (65+) I'm in pretty good shape, having survived all sorts of stuff that the mainstream calls 'deadly' - and 100% MINUS any needs for ANY pharma trash.

Peace Out.

(10-28-2022 02:55 PM)Lumos Wrote: [ -> ]@Diablofield:
If one keeps in mind that the world at large is POWERED by utter BS built upon lies and misinformation - that is about 1/2 the battle for genuine health.

Adding to that - here in amurikka most of the grocery stores are at least 70% filled with krap that should NEVER be consumed as it is highly toxic.

Supplementation...
There is a new fad 'miracle' thing every week and that is enough to make a person broke, crazy - or both.

I quit ALL the medicosci baloney decades ago and have quite a journey that can be told - but this ain't the place for it and frankly lots of what I've discovered for myself cannot be posted openly without attracting the 'men in black', whom I wish to avoid.

So, in closing I will just say:
For an older guy (65+) I'm in pretty good shape, having survived all sorts of stuff that the mainstream calls 'deadly' - and 100% MINUS any needs for ANY pharma trash.

Peace Out.

thanks + rep added

you are 65 + years old.

what did you learned from life ?

i mean, the main lesson. the real lesson

i am 46 and i have found deep stuff wich means that i am at initiate level





heres is the levels of consciousness of humanity


1) first level : 80 to 90 % of population : this is the animal level ( monkey level)

people at this level will never , ever, question anything. anything is "normal" . anythings is fine

life is eating working playing and dying

this is what animals do too

this is why benjamin Franklin said , quotation : " most people die at 25 but aren't buried until they are 75 "

2) second level : people who begin to ask questions and seek knowledge above the social matrix

less than 10 % of people

3) third level : initiates and masters level

they know their mission in life : the evolution of consciousness and bringing order on earth according to universal laws




they are not on earth to be good wages slaves , watch TV and so on until death . they are not monkeys


they are on earth for a specific mission














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