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https://www.ukcolumn.org/community/forum...-8th-2021/

This link will probably contain pure fantasy for some. Also, if you consider 50+ years old as young, then thank you.

You have to think critically about what you hear on TV

Hey Smithnowt.....I also believe the current medical establishment tends to treat symptoms rather than causes. Some doctor's try to do the right thing but they are putting their license/practices at risk since the medical establishment in the USA restricts what doctor's can and cannot do even though they know NOTHING about a particular patient's symptoms.

A perfect example, is how the medical establishment STILL TO THIS DAY refuses to give guidelines for people to lose weight as they (after the old) have the highest rates of dying due to the China Covid. No mention of this, just crickets, nada....unbelievable.
Also with regard to diabetes (type 2), most doctor's write prescriptions for drugs when a large majority simply need to change their diets...slowly this information is getting out to people, no thanks to the medical establishment that chooses to administer drugs over common sense dieting options.
Treat the symptoms = more drugs = more $$$$ for doctor's and phama co's.....at the expense of lives.

So much for the Hippocratic oath having any real meaning....and let's not forget the moral propaganda put out by these same doctor's on subjects like gun control and steriods....but have no problem prescribing opiates for the past 30+ years leaving millions dead from overdoses after their pills run out and they turn to heroin off the street....funny, didn't hear any moral propaganda about that when they were all making money off it. Sick. People should have been put in jail for this outright drug dealing by the pharma co's and pill mill doc's....yet once again, nada, nothing, crickets.....
But we are supposed to trust these same companies and doctor's with giving us an untested (long term) "vaccine" that doesn't work (you can still get China Covid) even after you've gotten multiple booster jabs. No thanks.
Oh, one last BS.....every other disease that is treated via a vaccine in the past WAS NOT given if you already had gotten infected with the disease.....NOW, we are told if you have already gotten the China Covid you STILL NEED to get the jab.....like WTF? Science all of a sudden changes for this one disease? Hint: that's NOT how REAL science works.
Again, this is really SICK S@*T!

(11-09-2021 10:10 PM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, one last BS.....every other disease that is treated via a vaccine in the past WAS NOT given if you already had gotten infected with the disease.....NOW, we are told if you have already gotten the China Covid you STILL NEED to get the jab.....like WTF? Science all of a sudden changes for this one disease? Hint: that's NOT how REAL science works.
Again, this is really SICK S@*T!

Don't forget to let us know if the development of all these previous vaccines was done with the emergency that a pandemic requires, and with the resources we have today, with all the haste that a pandemic requires.

(11-09-2021 10:10 PM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ]But we are supposed to trust these same companies and doctor's with giving us an untested (long term) "vaccine" that doesn't work (you can still get China Covid) even after you've gotten multiple booster jabs. No thanks.

Vaccines work, and this is seen in all places where it was applied in sufficient quantity to immunize most of the population. The theory that the disease has already reached all possible mutations and therefore the contamination is decaying does not correspond to what we see. Vaccines may not be perfect, but they work. In the US, new cases occurred predominantly among the unvaccinated.
Yesterday, the most populous state in Brazil had ZERO covid deaths. Worldwide, death rates plummeted when vaccination reached a significant portion of the population. However, in distant parts of the country - in certain unvaccinated indigenous groups - contamination and death is still a problem.
In any case, antivaxes will ALWAYS find for a new idea, and will never admit that the opinions they had yesterday, belied by reality today, were wrong. When contradicted, they will create new exotic interpretations to justify themselves.
I won't waste any more time here. Let's get back to discussing this in 2 years, when (according to the "WISE" antivaxes here that copy and past the point of view of "REAL" scientists) we vaccinated will all be dead, because of the side effects of the vaccines.
But be careful, buy a helmet, in 2 years you can get hit by an asteroid. You know, here we have antivaxes that seem to know more people who died from being hit by an asteroid than by covid.

(11-10-2021 03:49 AM)Vivekananda Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-09-2021 10:10 PM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, one last BS.....every other disease that is treated via a vaccine in the past WAS NOT given if you already had gotten infected with the disease.....NOW, we are told if you have already gotten the China Covid you STILL NEED to get the jab.....like WTF? Science all of a sudden changes for this one disease? Hint: that's NOT how REAL science works.
Again, this is really SICK S@*T!

Don't forget to let us know if the development of all these previous vaccines was done with the emergency that a pandemic requires, and with the resources we have today, with all the haste that a pandemic requires.

What the heck does a pandemic have to do with the deliberate casting aside of established scientific protocols? (not needing to get vaccinated if you have already been infected) Especially when a study out of Israel says the following, "Among a group of more than 32,000 people either previously infected or fully vaccinated between Jan. 1 and Feb. 28, the authors found a 13-fold increased risk for breakthrough infection with the delta variant as opposed to reinfection. The frequency of either event, however, was still very low, as this was based on 238 breakthrough infections, or infections in fully vaccinated individuals, and 19 reinfections among unvaccinated people who had recovered from a previous bout with the virus.
The authors also found a 27-fold increased risk for symptomatic breakthrough infection after full vaccination as opposed to symptomatic reinfection. That was based on 191 infections in vaccinated individuals and eight in previously infected people."

People that have had the China Virus should have the choice of whether or not to get the vaccine after infection, which has been established science for other diseases for the past 100 years.

(11-10-2021 04:18 AM)Vivekananda Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-09-2021 10:10 PM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ]But we are supposed to trust these same companies and doctor's with giving us an untested (long term) "vaccine" that doesn't work (you can still get China Covid) even after you've gotten multiple booster jabs. No thanks.

Vaccines work, and this is seen in all places where it was applied in sufficient quantity to immunize most of the population. The theory that the disease has already reached all possible mutations and therefore the contamination is decaying does not correspond to what we see. Vaccines may not be perfect, but they work. In the US, new cases occurred predominantly among the unvaccinated.
Yesterday, the most populous state in Brazil had ZERO covid deaths. Worldwide, death rates plummeted when vaccination reached a significant portion of the population. However, in distant parts of the country - in certain unvaccinated indigenous groups - contamination and death is still a problem.
In any case, antivaxes will ALWAYS find for a new idea, and will never admit that the opinions they had yesterday, belied by reality today, were wrong. When contradicted, they will create new exotic interpretations to justify themselves.
I won't waste any more time here. Let's get back to discussing this in 2 years, when (according to the "WISE" antivaxes here that copy and past the point of view of "REAL" scientists) we vaccinated will all be dead, because of the side effects of the vaccines.
But be careful, buy a helmet, in 2 years you can get hit by an asteroid. You know, here we have antivaxes that seem to know more people who died from being hit by an asteroid than by covid.

Yes, most vaccines work, however, these China virus vaccines do NOT seem to work as previous vaccines did. Small pox, polio, etc, you got vaccinated and you DID NOT get infected with the virus post jab. However with the China Virus you get "vaccinated" but can still get the virus....and in some area's it looks like you might have HIGHER infection rates for those that got the jab than those that did not but had already been infected. Israel and Belgium (see video in post #157) and possibly here in the USA between California and Florida statistic's (still being compiled and analyzed, must wait and see).....
Another anomaly, Singapore had it's death rate DOUBLE from when no one was vaccinated vs when 76% of the population was vaccinated. (no scientific analysis done on this yet, however, it contradicts data from other countries.

And of course, let's not forget the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh who at the height of the infection had up to 100 times LESS Covid infections/deaths due to Ivermectin usage compared to similar populated states that relied on the vaccinations.

I guess you won't waste any more time here because the facts are beginning to break through the propaganda, pseudo-science and BS coming from our media, politicians and so called "scientists and medical doctor's".

Personally, I hope myself and other unvaccinated are wrong and it turns out to be harmless in the long run, but I certainly am not going to put my life on the line or have life long disabilities/ailments to find out. Not with a less than .1 chance of dying from Covid and already having had it with little to no issues. (the flu I had several years ago was FAR worse).

But it each his own.....THAT is the whole argument here. There should be freedom to choose whether or not to be "vaccinated" or not, ESPECIALLY once you've been infected.

You will do as you are told and you will like it! Dismissed ;- )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxsPBbZ_b8

We will get through this. This too shall pass . . .

(11-10-2021 07:58 AM)mthomas Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Vivekananda' pid='3357819' dateline='1636481884']
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But we are supposed to trust these same companies and doctor's with giving us an untested (long term) "vaccine" that doesn't work (you can still get China Covid) even after you've gotten multiple booster jabs. No thanks.

Hi, mthomas!

Well, I said that I would not spend more time here, but I think that some extra considerations would be useful. As the vast majority of BBHF members, I'm not a medical doctor, but I like to be well informed. And, of course... doctors sometimes fail.

"What the heck does a pandemic have to do with the deliberate casting aside of established scientific protocols?
(not needing to get vaccinated if you have already been infected)"


This would need a two-part answer.

A pandemic has a LOT to do with the lack of respect to scientific protocols.
When this epidemic started I predicted that we would have a desperate rush to find a solution, testing and developing less than secure medicines. And it happened.
There is a joke about the difference between God and a doctor: God doesn't think he is a doctor.
The doctor is not used to doing anything and feels obligated to do something.
He studied medicine to treat and cure people.
It is difficult to say to the patient “there is nothing to do but support you”.
If they run into a serious medical problem, they try what they have at hand - even if they aren't experts.
There is a established scientific protocol called "Clinical Research" that defines if a remedy is efficient against a disease.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of doctors has insufficient formation in this specialty.
Clinical Research requires a lot of time, a lot of testing and a lot of care.
Now, doctors that are not specialized started to use different drugs, and when they observed that some patients were saved, some of them started to prescribe the drug used - even without the gold standard, double blind studies (you can call it "established scientific protocol").
I know people who were cured of covid with chloroquine. "Yes, chloroquine saves lives!" they say. My niece contracted covid and was saved without chloroquine, the doctor prescribed an antibiotic (Tamiflu).
Trump used hydroxychloroquine as a preventative, but still got sick - and doctors did not use chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine in his treatment.
Rigorous studies have indicated that most cures by chloroquine or ivermectin are likely to occur either by placebo effect or by simple coincidence. The immune system healed people, and would heal them with the drug, without the drug, or despite the drug. Orange juice would have the same effect.

"Second, not needing to get vaccinated" (is a stablished scientific protocol)
It's not answer (I don't know everything), it's a question: Are you sure that it happens with all diseases (including some that can appear in the future) and with all persons?
Can we conclude that this natural immunization happens with all diseases?
I already survived to influenza, but I've being vaccinated once a year for the last 4 years.
Now, yellow fever, polio and some other vaccines need only 1 shot. Tetanus need a booster every 10 years.
I don't know about you, but if a dog or cat bites me, I'll run to the doctor and ask for the vaccine.
If this happens again, I go back to the doctor for more guidance - and a new shot, if the doctor prescribes it.

Singapore x Brazil x India

I think that the problem in Singapore is not a valid example. With vaccination, Singapore relaxed a STRONG lockdown, so it's not possible to associate vaccination with the disease. It's not like a coin with 2 faces, there are lots of things to consider.
Singapore has performed an average of 3.3 Covid-19 tests per person, and perhaps this contributed to the growing number of cases.
"Most new cases of Covid-19—over 98%—have been either mild or asymptomatic, according to Singapore’s health ministry. The death rate over the last 28 days stands at 0.1%, despite an unprecedented surge in cases."

Uttar Pradesh: In Brazil, ivermectin didn't reduced the problem. Here we had a national scandal with some Health Insurance plans using these "miracle" drugs, and lying about people that died in unautorized tests.
Perhaps in India things are different... or not?
Ok, let the BBC tell us something about the problems with this ivermectin pseudo "miracle".
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

"I guess you won't waste any more time here because the facts are beginning to break through the propaganda"

I don't like challenges. I don't intend to stay here and spend hours exposing my thoughts. I have to follow my agenda, not yours.
No, it's just a waste of time to dismantle fallacies and fake news. I do have a life.
And the drop of new cases and deaths in Brazil is enough to make me sure that vaccines work. What? Is smithnowt reading this? Okay. We have a little less than 2 years to have a solid conclusion.
I want a real solution. IF anyone can prove that ivermectin or choloroquine works, I think it's great - it's a cheap medicine.
Of course, this would bring about a revolution in the methods used by science around the world. I wouldn't be sad if it had to happen this way.