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09-07-2014, 02:10 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-07-2014 04:01 PM by daska.)
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You know what, i will excuse myself here on the bbhf about what i wrote about him if VV comes back and tells us that he was on vacation, or that he was very busy, or that he had some health problems etc... I highly doubt it, but as you wrote everybody should be given a fair hand. I'm telling you this because he's not the first, nor the last of "gurus" i saw doing this. Personally it's not of matter of creating rumors of being "dead", "alive" or "kidnapped" by aliens which makes me mad, but making promises and breaken it without excusing himself. (In his training he said he will help his students out until he's tired with or until he changes his mind, i don't remember exactly. He just "disappered" without really telling anyone about it.
I think as any marketer with some marketing knowledge and having a financial background, i can tell you and assure you that after the workload got too much, the best option he thought was best for him was to "disappear" without saying anything. Why? Getting about 50 bucks to help personally each student at least one hour by phone and constant emails isn't profitable physically, emotionally and spiritually, if you have no upsells like seminars, workshop etc. I was myself surprised that he could sustain this business model since 2013. If you want evidence for i just explained to you, just look at his online business now, everything is automated and the topic/theme and niche is evergreen, that should indicate you something. You don't have to have a Phd in Marketing to understand this. Believe me, time will give me reason unfortunately. Not only what he does is not good for his business but also for people like us (those in the business opportunity niche for example), because guys like him give us all a bad name. In short it's not about his death or disparition, but about making promises and not holding it, which is very bad, especially in the business opportunity niche / Make money niche (if you want something more general), especially when creative finance techniques are used in the training. And personnaly i see no interest in investigating who said what where, it's useless, he seem to enjoy it, else he would at least write or post some comment to deny it. I suggest you that you send him some PM and ask him why he suddenly disappeared from WF and doesn't respond. I higly doubt that he wil answer you, but at least try, anyway i think he will appear through another persona sooner or later with another business with upsell this time :) Just keep your eyes open. Quote:It would seem that you are very passionate about not purchasing liabilities.Indeed, i'm very passionate about assets and liabilities because i worked in finance for a few a years, and believe me many people study some creative finance technique applied to real estate or business during 6 months to 1 year with some lazy ass guru and then create themself some new products in the make money/business opp niche without really understanding the power behind it. To really dumb it down creative finance is used in most training to learn how to create money (using i.o.u or debt) and acquire an asset with it (if you know what you do). If you understand this, let me ask a question: Would you go to the bank and ask them to lend you some money to buy food for example, instead of going out and earning money yourself? I highly doubt that you would do it if you are sane. But by using creative barter techniques to acquire liabilities you are doing exactly that, that's why i'm against it znd i'm warning people about it. There's a reason why many "mainstream" business and real estate guru's are against many real estate and business guru's who use creative finance in their training, and it's not always because of their "secret" or because the mainstream "gurus" are most of the time selling you something. Many mainstream gurus know very well that many gurus from the IM World just collect techniques that are "working" (because someone else said it worked, often their guru, without testing it themself) and create programs or do the 6 month to 1 year free training with the guru and then become themself guru. Creative Finance is very very complicated and is not as easy as many people tell it is. You can loose big and find yourself from one day to another with huge debt, if your guru isn't what he tells you to be or don't have the experience behind him. If you need more infos PM or just ask here on the thread Of course VV didn't "push" people to buy liabilities , he "suggested" it and i pointed it out. Read his sales letter and you will understand. I know he wouldn't selling as much as he's now if he wouldn't "suggest" it. Btw, in the audios he has to tell the truth else he will get in trouble. Quote: However nowhere in the audios do I recall him pushing the purchase of liabilities (for personal use). As a matter of fact I explicitly recall him speaking about the fallacy and dangers of trying to keep up with the "Jones" family - which seems to equate to the blind purchase of liabilities to impress and keep up with those said Jones'. |
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09-08-2014, 08:02 PM
Post: #142
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I haven't looked at this course yet, but I can tell you bartering works.
Back in 2009 I wanted to try bartering with local businesses in exchange for business consulting. I had several businesses bartering with me on a local business. I would provide SEO, Videos, advice, Press releases, etc... in exchange for X amount of credit from their business. I had one restaurant giving me $500 worth of food per month (their cost is only 33%) and I was barely doing anything. I've done bartering with dentist, contractors, auto dealers, etc.. and they all loved it. Bartering gets really popular in a bad economy, so this will work for many more years to come. |
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09-09-2014, 01:54 AM
Post: #143
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(09-08-2014 08:02 PM)Warrior2012 Wrote: I haven't looked at this course yet, but I can tell you bartering works.Thank you for your comment but did you read the whole thread? :) I've never say that bartering doesn't work, on the contrary (read Post: #125 What i'm saying is Vince Vegas comports himself like a con artist and a sleeze ball(disappear without saying anything) and makes using his student debt and i.o.u's (which is good IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DO, which i highly doubt because very few people knew about bartering and creative financing techniques before joining his training or IF YOUR "GURU", in this case Vince, has experience with it (which i greatly doubt also, im not the only one, read the thread) and assists you(which he is currently not doing, you can't join him). What you are doing is getting paid (through money, product or service) directly from a service YOU provided, which is different from selling I.O.U's from services you don't provide but which is provided by SOMEONE ELSE, which can be dangerous, very dangerous. I know creative financing technique applied to real estate and business really well (and you can apply them to the barter world too, with some twist) because i used myself these techniques to help other business as a financial advisor (my job) and i can assure you doing this without a good financial background or what i call"deal back up fund" to be more precise is dangerous. Most people that i know on the WF (where this training was released) are flat out broke. The only time they tell you about a fund is in their make money product, most of them are broker than broke. If only i could present you the people who got in financial problems just because of these gurus who use creative financing techniques in business, real estate or other domains, believe me it would scare the sh*t out of you. |
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09-09-2014, 02:22 AM
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sorry i don't know why the font is different i can't change the comment
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09-19-2014, 06:41 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-19-2014 06:43 AM by AdobongCanuck.)
Post: #145
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Hey guys,
I know V.V is neither the most ethical marketer alive nor talks politically correct all the time but just in light of his alleged death and why his WF account gets used almost everyday, here's a screen shot that shows why: ![[Image: 16h99j6.png]](http://i58.tinypic.com/16h99j6.png) Well, I'm not saying that he really is dead based on this alone but it's not fair to V.V if he really is and here we are doubting him and all that while enjoying his product for FREE, right?!  I contacted him first before buying coz his sales thread had been inactive for a few months or so and I just want to make sure that I'd still get the support and benefits from him especially the free 1000 trade dollars credit and the waived fee. Also, I discovered that Sylvia Rolfe-Meier is no longer associated with the product or with Itex and that is what really got me curious since V.V worships Sylvia like crazy all through out the course. Now the questions are; if Itex is really that great and if the product was doing well then why would Sylvia leave itex and disassociate herself with the product or maybe V.V too? Hope to hear your thoughts on this one guys.. Cheers!  |
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09-19-2014, 06:58 AM
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Here's a link to maybe why V.V died:
(See post #4) http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-mark...tions.html Cheers! |
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09-19-2014, 11:31 PM
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Any good copy links?
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09-19-2014, 11:51 PM
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Hello.
Can anyone post some mirrors. Post atleast in the VIP section. Thank you |
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09-20-2014, 05:16 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-20-2014 05:21 PM by AngelaE8654.)
Post: #149
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(09-19-2014 06:58 AM)Dr.Mike Wrote: Here's a link to maybe why V.V died: I'm still not buying it. Perhaps he was already thinking of "dropping out" at that point and had ideas of reinventing himself back then. And why would this "Patrick" person take over V.V's account on the Warrior Forum? Even if he was the partner or he bought the product or what have you, there is absolutely no reason to take over that account. That's not normal behavior. Perhaps "Patrick" is the new ID? In any case, I personally still do not believe that "Vegas Vince" passed away based on the bizarre stuff that happened regarding this alleged "death" ESPECIALLY the fact that the Warrior Forum was willing to remove any and all posts regarding this "death". Who does that??? Especially if a person has passed from natural causes or a disease like cancer. I can't seem to figure out how to "edit" my post (still trying to navigate this site) but I wanted to add that this "Patrick" dude 'taking over' Vegas Vince's Warrior Forum profile is probably an attempt to explain why that profile still has activity a full month and a half after Vegas Vince supposedly died. I suspect they watch this thread, as people are asking for mirrors, so I am assuming some of the links have been removed. I'll bet they've seen these posts as well and decided to make up some sort of story for why the account was still being accessed. But this is not normal behavior and neither is the Warrior Forum deleting all posts talking about this alleged "death". |
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09-23-2014, 08:37 AM
Post: #150
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Well yeah, that could be possible too.. It's weird too that Sylvia Rolfe-Meier doesn't reply to any of my queries bout itex or barter arbitrage. Oh well, I'm glad that I didn't pay for the product although I got a few golden nuggets from listening to all the audios so it's a win-win for me in any way. LOL!
(09-20-2014 05:16 PM)AngelaE8654 Wrote:(09-19-2014 06:58 AM)Dr.Mike Wrote: Here's a link to maybe why V.V died:  |
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