[get] Buy HIGH - Sell LOW Bank Cash? The Top Selling, Legendary BARTER ARBITRAGE Is Here!

[Paine_in_the_ass]

I have just finished listening to this program and I don't recall him talking about obtaining Ferraris etc. He did talk about getting paid when other people bought high ticket items such as Ferraris and yachts etc.

(09-05-2014 11:22 AM)daska Wrote:  I listened to his program and what he does isn't really new and isn't secret at all (that doesn't mean his training is not good, on the contrary it's excellent and very well structured). What he does is using creative finance and applying it to the barter world, that's all. If you know creative finance you can have many things in this world cheaper or for nothing. Anyway, saqqa your comment is not correct. This "business" is only good if an active barter community exists in your country, you don't have to be in the us or canada for this. I'm not in the USA, nor Canada and i've already done some of his techniques before listen to his barter arbitrage training because i already knew creative financing techniques. And to those who doubt: Yes you can use barter to become rich, i don't know if he became rich through barter, but there are some people out there who use creative ways to barter and become rich. A thing that i don't like in his training is the way he use the barter to obtain ferraris, etc... It would be much better to use barter to get assets like real estate, online businesses, etc... But i think as it was targeted to the WF, it would appeal more to them as a training that promises them ferraris and vacations. And concerning his "death" or "disparition" i don't give a sh*t, why? Because i never become attached to the guru behind the training, even if the training works. I go out and make money. This doesn't mean that he isn't good or i won't support him, i will support him, until a certain point. If i heard somewhere that he's dead and later find out that he's tricked me , i would forget him and go my own way. Many gurus take things that are less conventional and less "mainstream" package it and propose it to the world. People that got this training see him as a god, which is creepy if you once were in this situation. That's why i came here to this forum, because it's different (or it has to be diferent). I always work under the assumption that nobody discover something new, they repackage something already existing in something new and sell it to the crowd. The crowd adore the guru, set them on a pedestal and follow him everywhere (seminar, workshops, etc...)and become seminar junkies, workshop junkies, etc... To tell you the truth Vince or Matt left very much money on the table by not doing seminars, worskshops, etc, but it's his USP and in some way it was not more profitable to do it himself physically (too many people suscribed to barter arbitrage). So he automized it and left, you can still buy barter arbitrage even though he has to be dead, anyway. Once again his program is excellent and well structured but nothing new!

[saqqa]

(09-07-2014 03:25 AM)metech60 Wrote:  I have just finished listening to this program and I don't recall him talking about obtaining Ferraris etc. He did talk about getting paid when other people bought high ticket items such as Ferraris and yachts etc.

(09-05-2014 11:22 AM)daska Wrote:  I listened to his program and what he does isn't really new and isn't secret at all (that doesn't mean his training is not good, on the contrary it's excellent and very well structured). What he does is using creative finance and applying it to the barter world, that's all. If you know creative finance you can have many things in this world cheaper or for nothing. Anyway, saqqa your comment is not correct. This "business" is only good if an active barter community exists in your country, you don't have to be in the us or canada for this. I'm not in the USA, nor Canada and i've already done some of his techniques before listen to his barter arbitrage training because i already knew creative financing techniques. And to those who doubt: Yes you can use barter to become rich, i don't know if he became rich through barter, but there are some people out there who use creative ways to barter and become rich. A thing that i don't like in his training is the way he use the barter to obtain ferraris, etc... It would be much better to use barter to get assets like real estate, online businesses, etc... But i think as it was targeted to the WF, it would appeal more to them as a training that promises them ferraris and vacations. And concerning his "death" or "disparition" i don't give a sh*t, why? Because i never become attached to the guru behind the training, even if the training works. I go out and make money. This doesn't mean that he isn't good or i won't support him, i will support him, until a certain point. If i heard somewhere that he's dead and later find out that he's tricked me , i would forget him and go my own way. Many gurus take things that are less conventional and less "mainstream" package it and propose it to the world. People that got this training see him as a god, which is creepy if you once were in this situation. That's why i came here to this forum, because it's different (or it has to be diferent). I always work under the assumption that nobody discover something new, they repackage something already existing in something new and sell it to the crowd. The crowd adore the guru, set them on a pedestal and follow him everywhere (seminar, workshops, etc...)and become seminar junkies, workshop junkies, etc... To tell you the truth Vince or Matt left very much money on the table by not doing seminars, worskshops, etc, but it's his USP and in some way it was not more profitable to do it himself physically (too many people suscribed to barter arbitrage). So he automized it and left, you can still buy barter arbitrage even though he has to be dead, anyway. Once again his program is excellent and well structured but nothing new!

very nice and confident post....
full reps added...

the million question is "how to know there is any active barter community is my country?"

please advice...

[Paine_in_the_ass]

(09-07-2014 03:42 AM)saqqa Wrote:  very nice and confident post....
full reps added...

the million question is "how to know there is any active barter community is my country?"

please advice...

Thanks for reps. For those outside the US there is http://www.bartercard.com.au/bartercard_...ional.html
There may be others but this is the one "Vegas Vince" mentioned.

It might be worth noting that he said about 65% of his business was conducted outside of barter networks.
After listening to the whole course I can see how that would be very possible. So don't let that bog you down.

I will say that the audios tested my patience. IMHO the course could have been at least half the length it is due
to course info being repeated ad nauseum and V. V. repeatedly telling us what he was going to tell us.

However - he does actually "get there" - but you just have to hang around for the payoff.

[saqqa]

(09-07-2014 06:54 AM)metech60 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 03:42 AM)saqqa Wrote:  very nice and confident post....
full reps added...

the million question is "how to know there is any active barter community is my country?"

please advice...

Thanks for reps. For those outside the US there is http://www.bartercard.com.au/bartercard_...ional.html
There may be others but this is the one "Vegas Vince" mentioned.

It might be worth noting that he said about 65% of his business was conducted outside of barter networks.
After listening to the whole course I can see how that would be very possible. So don't let that bog you down.

I will say that the audios tested my patience. IMHO the course could have been at least half the length it is due
to course info being repeated ad nauseum and V. V. repeatedly telling us what he was going to tell us.

However - he does actually "get there" - but you just have to hang around for the payoff.

thanks for the advice .... sure i will give it a try

more reps added again :)
i do respect guys here that gives true advice :)
cheers

[daska]

(09-07-2014 03:25 AM)metech60 Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 11:22 AM)daska Wrote:  

metech60, I used the ferrari as an exemple, he was talking about how to obtain porsches, rings, diamants, vacations and other things for pennies on the dollar. Of course he also talked about how to get paid with real money using barter money, but this didn't bother me. What was bothering me was, if you want that i restate it, that he was primairly using creative barter to acquire liabilities (diamond rings for his gf, sport car, etc..) instead of assets like real estate or businesses and saying that anyone can do the same. I don't know his finances, but i think that Matt is someone with a solid financial background, so he can allow himself to acquire diamond rings, sports car, etc.. But most people on the warriorforum and here on bbhf are not "rich" like him . So telling us that we can acquire for example a sports car or a boat using barter without considering our financial situation is dangerous. Why? because a sports car for example is a liability and comes with cost associated with it (Maintenance costs and Depreciation of its value) which many people don't take in consideration when purchasing, which instead of helping people to get forward in life, stucks them sometimes in deep financial burden. If you reread his salesletter you will see that it's also one of his selling point. Maybe you are aware of this, so you won't fall into this trap, but not everybody is like you. I pointed this out to people who after reading this: "Discover the trick for getting nearly anything your heart desires… at up to 85% off – luxury vacations, high-end jewelry, sporting events, professional and personal services, cars, boats" would take the training to just do this. And don't kid yourself, there are many people who bought this just for this. Of course Matt is not the only one using this selling point, many people using training where they use creative finance are doing it. But not all of them are thinking about the consequences to someone who's not in their financial situation. It's something personal which i didn't like in his program, but as this product was targeted to the Warrior Forum, which is mostly known for BSO (bullshit offfers) in most cases it's not surprising, once again. But if you ask me to note the training i would say 9.5/10 and recommend it to everyone.

[daska]

Saqqa, I don't know where you live but you can also search the keyword "barter marketplace" in your native language on google if your native language is not english and you can also barter offline (in markets, with small businesses, freelancers, etc.) :)
Also the online barter marketplace don't have to be exactly like itex. The barter marketplace in my country doesn't have a barter currency like itex but you can barter your expertise in SEO for a spa membership for example.
If this is the case in your country too you can acquire the spa membership and use it elsewhere (sell it for cash, trade it for another asset online or offline, trade for another service, etc...) Just be creative. Even if there are not many people in the marketplace you can always barter, so don't look only barter marketplaces that are like itex

[Paine_in_the_ass]

Perception is reality as V.V. (Matt/Mathieu) liked to say. With that in mind there is no point in debating any further what you heard and what I heard. However I do concur, with your 9.5/10 rating.

(09-07-2014 07:51 AM)daska Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 03:25 AM)metech60 Wrote:  metech60, I used the ferrari as an exemple, he was talking about how to obtain porsches, rings, diamants, vacations and other things for pennies on the dollar. Of course he also talked about how to get paid with real money using barter money, but this didn't bother me. What was bothering me was, if you want that i restate it, that he was primairly using creative barter to acquire liabilities (diamond rings for his gf, sport car, etc..) instead of assets like real estate or businesses and saying that anyone can do the same. I don't know his finances, but i think that Matt is someone with a solid financial background, so he can allow himself to acquire diamond rings, sports car, etc.. But most people on the warriorforum and here on bbhf are not "rich" like him . So telling us that we can acquire for example a sports car or a boat using barter without considering our financial situation is dangerous. Why? because a sports car for example is a liability and comes with cost associated with it (Maintenance costs and Depreciation of its value) which many people don't take in consideration when purchasing, which instead of helping people to get forward in life, stucks them sometimes in deep financial burden. If you reread his salesletter you will see that it's also one of his selling point. Maybe you are aware of this, so you won't fall into this trap, but not everybody is like you. I pointed this out to people who after reading this: "Discover the trick for getting nearly anything your heart desires… at up to 85% off – luxury vacations, high-end jewelry, sporting events, professional and personal services, cars, boats" would take the training to just do this. And don't kid yourself, there are many people who bought this just for this. Of course Matt is not the only one using this selling point, many people using training where they use creative finance are doing it. But not all of them are thinking about the consequences to someone who's not in their financial situation. It's something personal which i didn't like in his program, but as this product was targeted to the Warrior Forum, which is mostly known for BSO (bullshit offfers) in most cases it's not surprising, once again. But if you ask me to note the training i would say 9.5/10 and recommend it to everyone.

[Paine_in_the_ass]

I think this fits very well with V.V. claiming that 65% of his business was outside of barter networks.

(09-07-2014 08:14 AM)daska Wrote:  Saqqa, I don't know where you live but you can also search the keyword "barter marketplace" in your native language on google if your native language is not english and you can also barter offline (in markets, with small businesses, freelancers, etc.) :)
Also the online barter marketplace don't have to be exactly like itex. The barter marketplace in my country doesn't have a barter currency like itex but you can barter your expertise in SEO for a spa membership for example.
If this is the case in your country too you can acquire the spa membership and use it elsewhere (sell it for cash, trade it for another asset online or offline, trade for another service, etc...) Just be creative. Even if there are not many people in the marketplace you can always barter, so don't look only barter marketplaces that are like itex

[daska]

Personally i don't give a sh*t what V.V. says as it's pointed out in this thread that he's not worth my trust, nor to someone truly in the quest of creating financial independence. Creating a false rumor of death just to get out in a business which overwhelms him is a very bad decision and proves to me that he's not as good as he tells he is even though his training is fantastic. What he've could done is simply hire someone to do it or sell the business to one of his successful students like other intelligent gurus do. This way his exit strategy would have not been against his USP of not upselling anything or promoting other BS and he wouldn't be treated like a con artiste. By the way i was looking up some infos i also doubt that he has been in the barter industry as long as he states it. Anyway concerning what i've written before concerning the purchase of liabilities if you can read and understand english and you have some knowledge in copywriting, finance, accounting and marketing you would understand that what i've written is correct. Anyway, have a good day :)

[Paine_in_the_ass]

I'm not here to defend V.V. as a guru or whatever status one may label him with. However I feel everyone should be given a fair and honest shake of the dice so to speak and that truth is paramount.

With that in mind do you have any evidence of him creating a false rumor of death? As far as I can tell this was started by Jason Kanigan in reply to a post in the Barter Arbitrage sales thread on the Warrior Forum. I saw the post which has since been removed. He was responding to another post about the sales thread being "dead" (which has been removed as well). J. K. replied that ironically he saw a Facebook post that indicated V.V. might have passed away.

Did V.V. have J.K. play the front man in this case? Sure - it's possible but once again do you have any evidence? I hope you do so you can shut me up.

It would seem that you are very passionate about not purchasing liabilities. I've never disagreed with you on that point have I? However nowhere in the audios do I recall him pushing the purchase of liabilities (for personal use). As a matter of fact I explicitly recall him speaking about the fallacy and dangers of trying to keep up with the "Jones" family - which seems to equate to the blind purchase of liabilities to impress and keep up with those said Jones'.

(09-07-2014 10:12 AM)daska Wrote:  Personally i don't give a sh*t what V.V. says as it's pointed out in this thread that he's not worth my trust, nor to someone truly in the quest of creating financial independence. Creating a false rumor of death just to get out in a business which overwhelms him is a very bad decision and proves to me that he's not as good as he tells he is even though his training is fantastic. What he've could done is simply hire someone to do it or sell the business to one of his successful students like other intelligent gurus do. This way his exit strategy would have not been against his USP of not upselling anything or promoting other BS and he wouldn't be treated like a con artiste. By the way i was looking up some infos i also doubt that he has been in the barter industry as long as he states it. Anyway concerning what i've written before concerning the purchase of liabilities if you can read and understand english and you have some knowledge in copywriting, finance, accounting and marketing you would understand that what i've written is correct. Anyway, have a good day :)