[GOLD MINE!] Amazon Drop Shipping Coaching - Earn 4 figures in two weeks or less!

***azil13*** · 12-22-2017, 11:33 PM

How much investment needed for this? i mean not coaching fees :)

***jello*** · 12-23-2017, 12:08 AM

@azil13
Good question, especially as there are too many undefined or misleading KPIs in this thread.The OP talks about "earning" but shows "sales." Anywhere in the thread OP talks about an arbitrage or margin round about 20%-35%.
Which would be fine for a dropshipping model. But is this after all costs(OP talks about $50-$100/month[Amazon Fixum+Software], sorry that I don`t remember the exact figures), like Amazon monthly fixum+Amazon fee/article(I checked only jewelry, and it was about 20% per item, without shipping. Not to mention, that there are X% of return shipping. For that, 10% sounds very good from the sight of the seller. well, this depends on the product(few categories have a return shipping about 50% and as Amazon said nearly 50% of these returns are damaged by the buyers), of course.Who is paying that?
You will need anything like content, ppc, a VA and so on.
With all these blabla figures I assume, that you will make any about 5-10% before taxes.
So, when the OP shows any about $38k within 30 days, (s)he "earns" any about $3,8k-$6k.
Well, this is a complete guess on the basis of amazon and this thread.
OK, this sounds harsh, but in fact, as I understand dropshipping, it is a hard business to scale. Hey, and there is still a high competition.
Dropshipping=low ROI, but relatively secure.
And this kind of insurance kills your ROI.
But should you have a good coach/trainer/ counselor, who spoonfeed you, who knows the pitfalls(and there are a lot of them), who take you by the hand and helps you from a to z, then you have good chance to make good money.
@daveinit8 in the case, that you can setup a complete dropshipping process with me, which has a minimum return of 30% before taxes, but after costs(profit, maybe), and all of that within two weeks, then I am interested in your sapphire package.
cheers

***daveinit8*** · (This post was last modified: 01-03-2018 10:05 PM by daveinit8.)

(12-23-2017 12:08 AM)jello Wrote: @azil13
Good question, especially as there are too many undefined or misleading KPIs in this thread.The OP talks about "earning" but shows "sales." Anywhere in the thread OP talks about an arbitrage or margin round about 20%-35%.
Which would be fine for a dropshipping model. But is this after all costs(OP talks about $50-$100/month[Amazon Fixum+Software], sorry that I don`t remember the exact figures), like Amazon monthly fixum+Amazon fee/article(I checked only jewelry, and it was about 20% per item, without shipping. Not to mention, that there are X% of return shipping. For that, 10% sounds very good from the sight of the seller. well, this depends on the product(few categories have a return shipping about 50% and as Amazon said nearly 50% of these returns are damaged by the buyers), of course.Who is paying that?
You will need anything like content, ppc, a VA and so on.
With all these blabla figures I assume, that you will make any about 5-10% before taxes.
So, when the OP shows any about $38k within 30 days, (s)he "earns" any about $3,8k-$6k.
Well, this is a complete guess on the basis of amazon and this thread.
OK, this sounds harsh, but in fact, as I understand dropshipping, it is a hard business to scale. Hey, and there is still a high competition.
Dropshipping=low ROI, but relatively secure.
And this kind of insurance kills your ROI.
But should you have a good coach/trainer/ counselor, who spoonfeed you, who knows the pitfalls(and there are a lot of them), who take you by the hand and helps you from a to z, then you have good chance to make good money.
@daveinit8 in the case, that you can setup a complete dropshipping process with me, which has a minimum return of 30% before taxes, but after costs(profit, maybe), and all of that within two weeks, then I am interested in your sapphire package.
cheers

Typical profit ranges from 15-35% but some products are way higher but most will be around the range I just stated. Of course you need to include taxes once you buy the items, but I teach a trick to cut these costs, most of the suppliers offers free shipping too.

There will be categories we will avoid to work with for some reason and jewelry is one of them.

Content, ppc ads are not needed. Even though I never used it in my favor, it might be helpful for a boost in sales

I've made 44k in sales last month. Here is my latest sales summary:

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Hit me up in skype: markleone098@outlook.com for a chat regarding the subject, if interested. Thanks!

***singa*** · (This post was last modified: 01-07-2018 07:32 PM by singa.)

i don't have seen inside this course and i don't want to insult the OP, but after reading the whole thread i will give,general speaking,especially for the beginners, a fair warning before you go in this Amazon Drop Shipping game, a good tip is to read this first from an trusted authority on Amazon for years

https://www.jimcockrum.com/blog/2016/05/...it-unless/

***Omni Potens*** · 04-13-2018, 04:43 PM

daveinit8 is permanently banned now for failing to comply on amicable solution even i personally give him last warning.
What clears to me is all evidence proof of excuses that he runs away with the money.

@magma please provide your further proof here on this BSO thread.

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Magma Wrote:Thank you, Omni Potens,

So, he hasn't answered. Again. This is my total experience of him. If I sent you the entire Skype communications you would see the same situation repeating over and over and over again.

I wonder how many people he has treated like this, whose money he has taken.

The truth is, I don't believe he will ever pay the money back. Probably because he doesn't have it - it's a lot of money!

So, on top of what I say - I think his claims of making $$$'s from this, or any other program he sells, is probably not true. Maybe he did for 1 month or 2 months, but his laziness and unreliable attitude means I thought it was easier to sell the program than use it himself. Then his laziness made him take money and not even deliver the program.

My personal opinion is that a ban makes a bigger statement. And my opinion is that if he takes $500+ from me, I want to either:
1. get the money back, but that doesn't look possible, or
2. if you stop him selling one more program, he loses my money a different way, (so it's a different kind of refund) or
3. If you stop him having access to the forum he loses more than one new customer AND all the great stuff this forum offers.

Of course, he might just rejoin under a different name and email, but he will lose all the credibility of having an account here for a long time.

So, if you are asking me what I would prefer - I think he should be banned. this isn't a $5 program. And he has shown that he will ignore you and lala too, so he really doesn't respect anyone here!

Thanks again for yours and lala's intervention -
Magma

Omni Potens Wrote:Hi magma,please tell me what you want to do with him?
should we add a do not trust badge on him?
or should we ban him now? if we ban him now he might run away forerver with the money he got from you, my thoughts was too put a do not trust badge on him so even he stay on bbhf it is a lesson that no one will trust him any longer.

what is your idea?let me know.

cheers,
Omni Potens

Magma Wrote:I see that Omni Potens put a deadline on this of today, the 11th April.

I sent evidence of my complaint, with Skype screenshots, to Omni Potens last week but I haven't seen any new replies from daveinit8.

Is he ignoring again?

What's the next step?

Thanks.
Magma

Omni Potens Wrote:Now i need both skype conversations.

@magma yes even myself i will not pay an additional if what i pay for was not met. considering large amounts.

@daveinit8, were here because the real issue or complaint is you being online everyday, but you ignore him, pm were tracked too, so he know your ignoring his pm.

Cheers,
Omni Potens

daveinit8 Wrote:The new deal was recent to which he agreed too, I've been willing to compromise and despite everything I still want to help him with his store and see him succeed. When we discussed the new deal I told him that and we agreed to terms, not sure why he is still making a complaint , the deal was talked about after he had made this complaint and conversation proof can be provided if required.

Magma Wrote:Hello Omni Potens,

That wasn't what he offered. He wanted me to pay an ADDITIONAL $700 on top of the $560 I had already paid him. And he didn't offer to pay me back BOTH payments if he couldn't do it.

The problem is he has proved himself unreliable. I don't want to spend another 3-4 months reminding him to do what he promised, then spend another 3-4 months chasing him for the next refund.

I said I would think about the 'upgrade' but after thinking about it, I concluded what I say here - why give him another $700 when he has acted this way. He has done nothing to make me trust him with more money.

I will send Screenshots of the skype conversation which at least proves I am being truthful here.

Also, I did suggest he could make a 'partial refund' of $400 instead of the full $560, but he refused. I don't think he deserves it but I thought it might persuade him to do the right thing.

Anyway, I'll get back to you with the Skype screenshots tomorrow.

Thanks for taking an interest.
Magma

Omni Potens Wrote:@Magma, i expect a detailed answer or a counter proof in regards to what daveinit8 mention. screenshots of conversation may help.

@daveinit8, to avoid being label as a scammer, we need your response and not excuses, magma reported you several times online but ignoring his pm. You even mention this and i quote this for you to see.
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1. Me and him made a deal that i'd run his store for him as compensation to what he experienced. I will build his store up and if I couldn't make him see a profit within our discussed deal, I would refund all the payments he made.
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I repeat, you mention this " if I couldn't make him see a profit within our discussed deal, I would refund all the payments he made."

so what was the "discussed deal" then?

and why magma is complaining now?

I understand that full refund may be too much especially if time and effort had been involved. but you did mention full refund if both of you wont meet the discussed deal.

again i need both conversation proof.

P.s. if this is impossible to settle, then atleast come with a partial refund.
or proceed to the discussed deal on delivering what the buyer paid for and not some excuses despite you being online but ignoring the said buyer.

Cheers,
Omni Potens

Magma Wrote:This isn't true:

daveinit8 Wrote:1. Me and him made a deal that i'd run his store for him as compensation to what he experienced. I will build his store up and if I couldn't make him see a profit within our discussed deal, I would refund all the payments he made.
You refused to give me a refund, then offered me an upsell to your managed store for an extra $700 (or something).
Yes, I discussed it with you, but I would be crazy to pay you another $700 when you have already been dishonest about everything else - and now it has become clear you lied about whose Paypal account it was, and your imaginary 'business partner' who, you said, made all your financial decisions for you.

daveinit8 Wrote:2. I can't simply just refund him because he did receive training then HE HAD problems with his account creation so we didn't get on CALL,instead he received video format and then claims he didn't receive training when he received exact training as anyone else.

As you know, I did NOT receive the training.
The training was for 'One-to-One Dropshipping coaching' with 3-4 calls.
We had ONE call, the 'preliminary' call, of about 15-20 minutes, where you told me what software and accounts I would need so I could do the training. This was NOT a coaching call.
Later, you sent me ONE poorly recorded screen video of you teaching someone else. I complained I could not hear the sound properly.
That's ALL I got.
When I later asked for a refund, you then said the video was the 'one-to-one' training. It was not, since you advertise 'personal one-to-one coaching'.

And clearly it was NOT the same as everyone else - all the posts I read were of people who had talked with you directly. And the fact that the video was of you teaching someone, proves not everyone got a video.

One badly recorded video is not 3-4 one-to-one training calls.

Also I DID NOT have problems with my ACCOUNT CREATION - again, you are changing the facts.
BEFORE I paid you I asked 2 specific questions. I said they were important for my decision to use your 'coaching'.
1. I am not in my home country and not in my full time address, where my banking is located - I asked specifically if this would be a problem and you said NO.
= it was a problem. I could not open an Amazon Seller account without being at home. It took me a month to get a postal address and new bank statement sent to me. You know this.
2. I said time was important. I only had a short period when I would be able to set this up and pass it on to my assistant. You said 'no problem'.
But, because of being away from home I lost a month.
THEN you weren't available. And you made appointments you never turned up for them. Then you sent a video I couldn't hear. You delayed and delayed.

In that time I paid for 2 months of Amazon seller account = 2x$40 and 1x month of Dropshipping Toolkit = 1x$97 but could not use them because you NEVER did the coaching.
Then you said 'sorry' and offered me a free month of the Dropshipping Toolkit and NEVER made it happen.

Finally, your thread calls this 'dropshipping'. It is NOT dropshipping, it is arbitrage - very different. You are selling Walmart/Target items on Amazon and letting Walmart/Target fulfill. That isn't dropshipping.

daveinit8 Wrote:3. I did promise him an extension with the software but because the developer was making changes with payment processor, he had cancelled everyone's subscription so they all expired, he just forgot to re-enable that guy's subscription.
This is the first time I have ever heard this.

Finally, when I sent a PM to lala, you replied and thought I was someone else - your reply said you had refunded that person from your own Paypal - which proved even more lies from you. Because you told me it was not your Paypal address, it was your 'business partner's address and he never gave refunds. Clearly everything you told me was lies.

Sorry to Omin Potens and lala that you must read all this nonsense - but in my experience, daveinit8 will lie that the sky is green and water is dry. So I am just making sure everyone knows that I am aware of the facts here. And lies don't squeeze past.

Thank you.

daveinit8 Wrote:Alright. Honestly I don't get why you guys are threatening me as a scammer.

1. Me and him made a deal that i'd run his store for him as compensation to what he experienced. I will build his store up and if I couldn't make him see a profit within our discussed deal, I would refund all the payments he made.

2. I can't simply just refund him because he did receive training then HE HAD problems with his account creation so we didn't get on CALL,instead he received video format and then claims he didn't receive training when he received exact training as anyone else.

3. I did promise him an extension with the software but because the developer was making changes with payment processor, he had cancelled everyone's subscription so they all expired, he just forgot to re-enable that guy's subscription.

Omni Potens Wrote:Omni Potens here. This is getting forever.
If daveinit8 will not respond or ignore this pm .
I give him until April 11, 2018 to resolve this issue. If not then i have no choice but to shutdown his BSO thread and marked him the "DO NOT TRUST BADGE".

I only warn once.

Cheers,
Omni Potens

Magma Wrote:Thanks - I've never looked to see if a message is read before, do I look in 'tracking'?
If so, in tracking - the last message he read from me was 30th

Although in the 'sent' folder the message is not highlighted - not sure if tht means he has read it or not. I can send you a screenshot if it helps.

Thanks again lala.

lala Wrote:Hi Magma, yes please send your pm via me, and i will forward it to him. Thanks.

Regards,
Lala

Magma Wrote:Hi lala,

thanks again - is it ok if I send the message via you?

The guy has tried contacting me via Skype - yes, never before but now you are involved he tries contacting me for the first time! But he's a pain in the neck and just gets very childish - he seems better when messages are coming via you. And clearly your involvement has changed his attitude a bit.

So, I'll send the message via you, with a 'CC' in it. I hope that's ok.

Thanks again!

lala Wrote:Hi Magma, yes i am aware that he probably or intentionally making some excuses, my main priority is to force him to return the money on you, if he cannot do that then Omni Potens will surely ban him, but he is not being ban yet cause he might just dont care about ban and just run away with all the money. Please send him a pm again and asking for the update on refund. and note that the pm is track and your close enought telling to Omni Potens all the proof conversation. Thanks.

Regards,
Lala

Magma Wrote:Hi lala,

thanks again - by the way, I can't remember if I told you this: the guy was lying to me about the refund.

When I asked him for the refund he told me he would have to ask his 'business partner' (never mentioned one before!). Then I don't hear from him so I ask again and he says he'll ask him next week, then next week, then next week... and this goes on for over a month, just like when I was asking him for the coaching!

Finally, he tells me his 'business partner' refuses to give a refund and it's his business partner's email address so he can't do anything about it. Then he tries to upsell me on another product.

But his message here on the forum, when he thought I was someone else, doesn't mention a business partner! And he talks about the Paypal account as his own, and he makes the refund. And the guy he refunded joined the coaching after me - so it's just more proof this guy is a liar and some kind of scammer.

Just letting you know - he is a very 'slippery' person.

Thanks.

lala Wrote:Hi Magma, yes i figure it out already :)

anyway there is latest pm i forwarded on you, he ask for your skype, paypal email address. etc.

how does it go?

Magma Wrote:Hi lala,

yes, sorry - I wrote that automatically without thinking.
It was this BSO: http://bestblackhatforum.com/Thread-GOLD...ks-or-less

lala Wrote:Hi magma, you say GB. i checked his account he does not have any GB, do you mean BSO, am i right? or GB? Thanks.

Regards,
Lala

Magma Wrote:Hi lala,

thanks for getting back to me, and thanks for your help, again.

The main problem with this guy is that he never does what he says he will.

Before I joined his GB I asked him 1. if there was an issue, because I do not live in my home country (I am from the UK but live in Greece right now), and 2. I could only do the training if it was within a short time. He said both were ok, so I bought.

BUT there WAS an issue with my location. So it took me a MONTH to arrange an address in the UK, get banking details, etc, to verify a new Amazon seller account. THEN he wasn't available to do the training! So, 1 month went by just trying to get the seller account. Then 2 months go by because he says next week, next week, next week - but never turning up to our meetings and never doing the training.

I spent $100 on his recommended software for 1 month, but he never trained me on it. Then he promised me 1 month free software, but never gave me that.

Then he sent me a video of him training some other guy, and later told me - the video was the same as him training me, ut it was supposed to be one-on-one training!

So, then I asked for a refund and he says he can't talk now - get in touch next week, next week, next week - for another 1-2 months. Then I write to you!

So, I don't trust the guy!

When he eventuly answered my refund request, he tells me his 'business partner' must decide. And it is his 'business partner's Paypal account, etc. Then, after 1-2 months he told me his 'Business Partner' says 'no'. It sounded like another lie, so at least now I know that was all a lie! Because he seems to have refunded this other guy using his own Paypal with nothing said about a business partner!

Then he starts telling me that the video he sent me was the training, so he has already delivered! But his sales page says 'one-on-one coaching' not video. And it's supposed to be 3 training sessions. But it also says 'dropshipping' but this is arbitrage, not dropshipping, so even that isn't accurate.

Then, after all that - instead of offering a refund, he started trying to sell me an upgrade - so he would manage my seller account for me - but he was asking me for ANOTHER $700 for that!

I think the guy is a bit of a 'con-man' (or a con-boy, in his case, because he seems very immature). I'm a 40 year old man so I'm just a bit tired of dealing with him and his childish lies and insults. It's like being in a school playground!

So, I don't trust him to deliver properly, or on time. And it's not what his sales page describes - and my 2 questions, which I asked before I bought, he answered falsely anyway! EG: my location was a problem, and he couldn't deliver in the time frame I asked.

So, that's the full story here - thanks again for your help.
Magma

lala Wrote:Hi magma, thanks for this detailed pm.
What we need to aim now is to recover your hard earned money.
or deliver what you paid for. If he can't do that then we make sure he can no longer scam any members here. Thanks.

Maybe it is possible that he mistakenly it was you was that he probably many members complaining on him and he forgot members just take away the money.

Regards,
Lala

Magma Wrote:Hi lala,

I just realized, this guy has messed up - he thinks I'm someone else!

I didn't read his full reply earlier, but I just did, and he talks about a 'car crash' - that's not me, I didn't have a car crash. So he thinks I'm someone else - so maybe he did refund that other guy but he hasn't refunded me.

But here's the thing - his messages here prove he's a liar...

In Skype, he has made me wait months. Like I told you before, he says he will get back to me but he doesn't. So I remind him and he says 'tomorrow' or 'next week' and still doesn't answer.

And here's the big lie - he told me it wasn't his Paypal account, it was his 'business partner's Paypal account so he must ask his business partner for the refund. Then he makes me wait again. Then, eventuly, he tells me his 'business partner' refuses to give a refund! I told him I don't believe he has a business partner, but he insists it's true.

So, this message here, when he talks about a 'car crash', proves there is no business partner, because he admits this is his Paypal account!

But because I waited for his response, it's too late to go to Paypal for a dispute - so I guess that's why he delayed and lied all that time.

I don't want to bore you with all the details, lala, but the truth is he has never delivered the coaching: We had ONE talk on Skype for 20 mins and he never showed up for any of the other calls. He always says 'next week' etc but never shows up.

He sent me a video and says he's delivered - but it was supposed to be one-on-one coaching. And it's NOT dropshipping either, it's arbitrage - buying from Walmart/Target/etc and selling on Amazon. So even his sales pitch isn't accurate.

I just wanted to make sure you had the full picture.

You helped me with the SamuraiWarrior issue, so you know I'm not someone who makes false claims or insults people (etc). This guy is a nasty, bad-mouthed person who just lies and insults. Not a nice person, in my opinion.

Magma

lala Wrote:Hi daveinit8,

what does this screen shot mean?

https://imgur.com/a/iYhE9

anyway let me forward this to Magma. Thanks.

Regards,
Lala

daveinit8 Wrote:https://imgur.com/a/iYhE9

lala Wrote:daveinit8 ? why is taking this long? any update regarding this complaint? Thanks.

Regards,
Lala

Magma Wrote:Still no refund!

Magma Wrote:What refund?
I haven't received a refund.

RE: "I had no obligation to refund you even though I did"

This all sounds rather strange...

lala Wrote:Hi daveinit8, thanks for the reply.
Let me forward this exact pm you send to Magma.

Regards,
Lala

daveinit8 Wrote:Magma, you don't need to lie in order to get refunded, you said you needed the money to pay for you car crash and stuff, why are you telling lies here? Can't you just wait until I get money in my paypal balance? Grow up and stop being a F****** liar with all this non sense, I never got absent from giving you support, do you want me to make you feel dumb and post a screenshot of the skype convo when you said you haven't had enough time to start implementing the method? I had no obligation to refund you even though I did, now next time you purchase something make sure you can afford it and make sure you read the F****** refund policy! Jesus what a pain in the ass, broken minded person you are, please do me a favor, don't make me waste my F****** time again with you and pls don't purchase any of my products anymore!

lala Wrote:
Magma Wrote:Hello lala,

you helped me with the SamuraiWarrior GB - I have another problem, perhaps you can help me with this? This time it's a BSO seller.

I bought this BSO: http://bestblackhatforum.com/Thread-GOLD...ks-or-less

Before I bought, I asked 2 specific questions: 1. I am from the UK but I am travelling - will this be a problem? He said 'no'. 2. I said, I need to get this up and running soon (the next 2 months) because after that, I won't have time, is that a problem? He said 'no'. So - everything was fine and I bought!

The offer was for 3 one-to-one coaching sessions, plus ongoing support.

We had a provisional chat (20-30 minutes) and he told me I had to create an Amazon Seller account before we could start. So, I created an account, but guess what - there was a problem because I am not in my home country! The problem caused a 4+ week delay whilst I had to get an address, mail forwarding, etc.

Finally, I get my account verified. So he wrote and said - next, open an account with this software for $97 per month and we can get started. So I did.

But now this guy isn't available. He won't make an appointment in advance, he says he doesn't know when he's available but maybe Wednesday, maybe Thursday, get in touch. So I get in touch but he doesn't answer. Then he says maybe today at this time, so I wait but he doesnt' turn up. This goes on like this for over a month! He's never available. Or he's so late it doesn't happen.

The 1 month software subscription was wasted. Then he says the software creator is his 'friend' so he'll ask for an extension for me. But guess what, that never happens!

Finally, I say - ok, I've had enough. This isn't working. I want a refund.

So guess what, he says - I'll think about it, get back to me. And so it goes on. Next time he says he has to speak to his 'partner' (whoever that is). Then he says he's busy he'll get back to me. His partner is busy. Etc.

Finally, he tells me he doesn't give refunds. I say - ok, but I asked you 2 questions before I bought and you said 'no problem' but both were problems. Next, you told me to buy this software and I did but you never told me anything more, so that money was wasted. And I never got the extension you promised. You were never available. So - you cannot say 'no refund' when 1. you never delivered and 2. you never tried to deliver and 3. you told me things would be ok which are not.

The guy is completely unreliable. I gave him $560 and all he did was tell me to create an Amazon seller account (which I did) and get a subscription to this software (which I did, but stopped because he never gave me the coaching).

Even now, he answer me with:

Jan24th:
= yes okay thanks, i'll forward to my partner and let you know in a couple of days.
= remind me Thursday/Friday.

Jan 31st
= Hey I'm home later today will get back with you
(nothing more)

Feb 2nd:
= hey will get back with you later
(nothing more)

Feb 15th:
= hey you there? I will be home this evening. Remind me

And so it goes on...

Maybe you could just step in and let him know he has an obligation.

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***indigenius*** · 04-13-2018, 07:47 PM

So the OP made $44k last month but couldn't give this Magma Guy a refund of $500.

wow....

***MUZIK*** · (This post was last modified: 04-13-2018 09:05 PM by MUZIK.)

(04-13-2018 07:47 PM)indigenius Wrote: So the OP made $44k last month but couldn't give this Magma Guy a refund of $500.

wow....

I just read it all and Yes....Wow