09-07-2014, 02:10 PM
You know what, i will excuse myself here on the bbhf about what i wrote about him if VV comes back and tells us that he was on vacation, or that he was very busy, or that he had some health problems etc... I highly doubt it, but as you wrote everybody should be given a fair hand. I'm telling you this because he's not the first, nor the last of "gurus" i saw doing this. Personally it's not of matter of creating rumors of being "dead", "alive" or "kidnapped" by aliens which makes me mad, but making promises and breaken it without excusing himself. (In his training he said he will help his students out until he's tired with or until he changes his mind, i don't remember exactly. He just "disappered" without really telling anyone about it.
I think as any marketer with some marketing knowledge and having a financial background, i can tell you and assure you that after the workload got too much, the best option he thought was best for him was to "disappear" without saying anything. Why? Getting about 50 bucks to help personally each student at least one hour by phone and constant emails isn't profitable physically, emotionally and spiritually, if you have no upsells like seminars, workshop etc. I was myself surprised that he could sustain this business model since 2013. If you want evidence for i just explained to you, just look at his online business now, everything is automated and the topic/theme and niche is evergreen, that should indicate you something. You don't have to have a Phd in Marketing to understand this. Believe me, time will give me reason unfortunately. Not only what he does is not good for his business but also for people like us (those in the business opportunity niche for example), because guys like him give us all a bad name. In short it's not about his death or disparition, but about making promises and not holding it, which is very bad, especially in the business opportunity niche / Make money niche (if you want something more general), especially when creative finance techniques are used in the training. And personnaly i see no interest in investigating who said what where, it's useless, he seem to enjoy it, else he would at least write or post some comment to deny it. I suggest you that you send him some PM and ask him why he suddenly disappeared from WF and doesn't respond. I higly doubt that he wil answer you, but at least try, anyway i think he will appear through another persona sooner or later with another business with upsell this time :) Just keep your eyes open.
Of course VV didn't "push" people to buy liabilities , he "suggested" it and i pointed it out. Read his sales letter and you will understand. I know he wouldn't selling as much as he's now if he wouldn't "suggest" it. Btw, in the audios he has to tell the truth else he will get in trouble.
I think as any marketer with some marketing knowledge and having a financial background, i can tell you and assure you that after the workload got too much, the best option he thought was best for him was to "disappear" without saying anything. Why? Getting about 50 bucks to help personally each student at least one hour by phone and constant emails isn't profitable physically, emotionally and spiritually, if you have no upsells like seminars, workshop etc. I was myself surprised that he could sustain this business model since 2013. If you want evidence for i just explained to you, just look at his online business now, everything is automated and the topic/theme and niche is evergreen, that should indicate you something. You don't have to have a Phd in Marketing to understand this. Believe me, time will give me reason unfortunately. Not only what he does is not good for his business but also for people like us (those in the business opportunity niche for example), because guys like him give us all a bad name. In short it's not about his death or disparition, but about making promises and not holding it, which is very bad, especially in the business opportunity niche / Make money niche (if you want something more general), especially when creative finance techniques are used in the training. And personnaly i see no interest in investigating who said what where, it's useless, he seem to enjoy it, else he would at least write or post some comment to deny it. I suggest you that you send him some PM and ask him why he suddenly disappeared from WF and doesn't respond. I higly doubt that he wil answer you, but at least try, anyway i think he will appear through another persona sooner or later with another business with upsell this time :) Just keep your eyes open.
Quote:It would seem that you are very passionate about not purchasing liabilities.Indeed, i'm very passionate about assets and liabilities because i worked in finance for a few a years, and believe me many people study some creative finance technique applied to real estate or business during 6 months to 1 year with some lazy ass guru and then create themself some new products in the make money/business opp niche without really understanding the power behind it. To really dumb it down creative finance is used in most training to learn how to create money (using i.o.u or debt) and acquire an asset with it (if you know what you do). If you understand this, let me ask a question: Would you go to the bank and ask them to lend you some money to buy food for example, instead of going out and earning money yourself? I highly doubt that you would do it if you are sane. But by using creative barter techniques to acquire liabilities you are doing exactly that, that's why i'm against it znd i'm warning people about it. There's a reason why many "mainstream" business and real estate guru's are against many real estate and business guru's who use creative finance in their training, and it's not always because of their "secret" or because the mainstream "gurus" are most of the time selling you something. Many mainstream gurus know very well that many gurus from the IM World just collect techniques that are "working" (because someone else said it worked, often their guru, without testing it themself) and create programs or do the 6 month to 1 year free training with the guru and then become themself guru. Creative Finance is very very complicated and is not as easy as many people tell it is. You can loose big and find yourself from one day to another with huge debt, if your guru isn't what he tells you to be or don't have the experience behind him. If you need more infos PM or just ask here on the thread
Of course VV didn't "push" people to buy liabilities , he "suggested" it and i pointed it out. Read his sales letter and you will understand. I know he wouldn't selling as much as he's now if he wouldn't "suggest" it. Btw, in the audios he has to tell the truth else he will get in trouble.
Quote: However nowhere in the audios do I recall him pushing the purchase of liabilities (for personal use). As a matter of fact I explicitly recall him speaking about the fallacy and dangers of trying to keep up with the "Jones" family - which seems to equate to the blind purchase of liabilities to impress and keep up with those said Jones'.
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