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Maybe this is a good idea since I'm not clear to exactly how this works. I can tell you one thing on your statistics though. Don't forget in order for us to see the GB we have to "post to unlock", so not everyone (or even close to 20 replies/page) is going to buy. Most of them are just looky Lu's (curious). The GB organizer is lucky if they get 3-4 sales/page. Second, there are a lot of people that ask for the payment details and still don't buy. One last thing, normally there are "No refunds" given once the GB is delivered (at least in my case - ZERO have been given). Good luck and I hope you and your investors prosper.

(10-07-2021 02:13 PM)gorillagigs Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe this is a good idea since I'm not clear to exactly how this works. I can tell you one thing on your statistics though. Don't forget in order for us to see the GB we have to "post to unlock", so not everyone (or even close to 20 replies/page) is going to buy. Most of them are just looky Lu's (curious). The GB organizer is lucky if they get 3-4 sales/page. Second, there are a lot of people that ask for the payment details and still don't buy. One last thing, normally there are "No refunds" given once the GB is delivered (at least in my case - ZERO have been given). Good luck and I hope you and your investors prosper.

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Thanks for your input there are many factors why some GB Fails and some succeed
Main factor that determine GBs status is
Product/pricing/usability/and Demand

The GB you are referring to which might get 3-4 sales barely are the once that are are not well researched or thought out or might not in demand so it failed. There are also GB that are making killing. So giving example of failed GB alone might not be good idea. While posting opinions. I do get it you are GB organizer and you have some experience. May be you only had the bad experience with this business. But one thing I am really sure of its making money for GB Sellers that's why you would see New GB listing everyday. Same as Stock Market people who know how to invest make money and people who don't know loose. so calling stock market bad is not wise. I thank you for the opinion

Best Reg
Forgottenhero

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(10-07-2021 09:53 AM)California Kid Wrote: [ -> ]you never said you have a working business model. why are you throwing out # and assuming what others are making if you already have a working model and have been doing it for 1 1/2 years? you only have to provide the #'s from your working model.

i am not being negative. it's you who is not explaining things correctly and things are getting misinterpreted. the fact that you are now becoming defensive makes me curious now and makes me skeptable where i wasn't before and makes me want to ask more questions.

now i would like you to pm me your proven business model so i can take a look at the ACTUAL #'s and not assumptions you decided to throw out there for no good reason.

i take a personal interest in this because i myself thought long and hard about doing the same thing you are trying to do right now and there were hurdles that needed to be solved which would be hard to solve on this forum yet here you are trying to solve those obstacles on this forum.

so when i say i don't think you have thought everything through, there are perfectly valid reasons for it because of my personal experience in this space. your over confidence is scary because that is what gets people to fail. they become complacent thinking they know it all and find out they didn't know shit. this is definitely a risk factor for any investors who want to get AT LEAST their money back.

now here is YOUR words.... "Every Business idea is not perfect. There are some downfalls and risk involved."

because i want to talk about the risks and i am assuming things that aren't true because you refuse to share information with anyone is NOT my fault. it's how YOU are choosing to communicate and try and run a jv and fund this project. people would be stupid not to be skeptible of exactly where their hard earned money is going yet you get defensive about it calling me too skeptable because i am asking questions i don't have the answers to because you refuse to give them.

dude, i actually gave you reps for your post and your poreparedness and openess to answer questions. now you are sounding like a scammer because they do the SAME EXACT THING that you are doing now. telling people they are over thinking things and being too skeptible and being negative. they try to turn shit around on the victim. that is literally what you are sounding like right now.

lastly, i am trying to help you man so yea, i have questions because i have thought long and hard about this too once. the reason why i didn't pull the trigger on it was it was way too much work for the money to be made for me but i understand that for some people, it's worth it....especially when they come from countries outside of the tier 1 countries. so i think i know a little bit about this business because i did my own research and because you aren't saying what your business model is, YES, ofcourse i qill question that i don't think you have thought everything through....espcially when i see you trying to get money from poor black haters in a blackhat forum rather than specifically prospect to people who are actually successful and have money that you obviously don't have to scale to a 5 digit income.

you hate writing? well good news. you don't have to write. you don't have to reply but i would think it's in your best interest to be open about what you can in public and if you want me to sign a NDA because you only wish to provide information in pm's, i will be happy to do that so you can't accuse me of assuming things anymore about your business model which is already proven and only needs to be scaled. but if you are going to choose to write, i think it's in your best interest not to be defensive when there are unanswered questions. that makes me very skeptible and it will make all your potential investors skeptible when you try to turn things around thinking *I* am the problem. think again.....

(10-06-2021 02:08 PM)forgottenhero Wrote: [ -> ]I have Working business model which is making me money for the last 1.5yrs which just needs scaling. I can share all the earning proofs with video recording if you wish This is the reason I am crowdfunding. For God Sake I just assumed The Earning of GB Seller that's it. As only GB Sellers know exactly how much they are earning. So I had to Assume it . And That does not make my business model unproven. You don't even know what my Business model is but still you are straight away declaring it unproven. Wow. that shows the state of mindset you are in, being skeptical is good but being negative is not. Also all data is Available in public forum to analyze. So people who want to invest can do their own due diligence. You are too Skeptical in a negative way, you should also look for positive aspects of business too. I might Assume earnings of members but I am very much sure they are making huge money and GB Business has huge potential. Hope this post answers all the questions

Man I hate writing and you made me write so much fhoooooooo !

Best Reg
Forgottenhero

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Hey man I really didn't want to write but I had to.

you never said you have a working business model. why are you throwing out # and assuming what others are making if you already have a working model and have been doing it for 1 1/2 years? you only have to provide the #'s from your working model.

As i replied to in the previous comment that there
Trade secrets that should not be in public as any working
model will be copied easily. I will provide all the proofs and S#it data in PM to only investors who are interested. And you agreed but again instead for asking it in PM you decided to bash me for not posting the details in public. Now what do i make out of it ?

i am not being negative. it's you who is not explaining things correctly and things are getting misinterpreted. the fact that you are now becoming defensive makes me curious now and makes me skeptable where i wasn't before and makes me want to ask more questions


I don't know if i am becoming defensive or not. But after replying to all your question i see you feel like loosing the ground and becoming defensive. Because somewhere you have self image of knowing it all and when you cant be incorrect which makes you defensive and flame others who don't agree with our ideology or the way you think

In your words you said : i also like your pp. i can see how this was thought out really well and tried to be presented professionally. it's one of the better posts out there in this section in my opinion. so good job on that. i know you aren't a scammer. just a hard worker trying to make a buck. you definitely surprised me with this post and your answers

After making this comment you are saying i am not explaining things correctly wow. now what do i make out of it ?? How do i impress you sir !

You want to ask more question go ahead man i am not afraid to answer any of it as i have answered before i will answer again. But ask the question in right way something that should be asked in pm should be asked in PM Not in public. Same goes for public questions. I will do my best to reply.

now i would like you to pm me your proven business model so i can take a look at the ACTUAL #'s and not assumptions you decided to throw out there for no good reason.


Will do that and working on it might take little while as i am not going to throw some screen shot. i will record proper video and update you on that

I take a personal interest in this because i myself thought long and hard about doing the same thing you are trying to do right now and there were hurdles that needed to be solved which would be hard to solve on this forum yet here you are trying to solve those obstacles on this forum.

You think if you cant solve certain hurdles than why do you think other cant do it either. How do you come up with that and what do i make out of it ?? This is what makes your Know it all image. You think if you cant do it how others can right ?

so when i say i don't think you have thought everything through, there are perfectly valid reasons for it because of my personal experience in this space. your over confidence is scary because that is what gets people to fail. they become complacent thinking they know it all and find out they didn't know shit. this is definitely a risk factor for any investors who want to get AT LEAST their money back.

Now who is assuming ?? Because of your personal experience in this space. You think people will fail. wow now your experience is superior than people peoples experience ?
so what kind of experience do you have ??
Have you ever created any product or sold any service here ?? NO
Have you organized any GB ?? Yes one GB But failed miserably Now this is your experience in this space. And you are judging others on this kind of experience. This what we call know it all guy. I also have 10+ Years of experience in this space. and 8yrs on this forum.I have sold many product and services on this forum all can be verified. I DON'T want to post links here as it might be flagged for self promotion so people who want to check and verify can to to my profile page and check my all sales threads. I come from the bottom. I have made big and i have lost it all and now trying to raise again here is my journey link people people want to know about my experience
http://bestblackhatforum.com/Thread-Goin...ng+it+back

Stop judging people with your experience. Break that i know it all jail and think openly without judging people.

because i want to talk about the risks and i am assuming things that aren't true because you refuse to share information with anyone is NOT my fault. it's how YOU are choosing to communicate and try and run a jv and fund this project. people would be stupid not to be skeptible of exactly where their hard earned money is going yet you get defensive about it calling me too skeptable because i am asking questions i don't have the answers to because you refuse to give them

This is 2nd time you are assuming and you accuse me to assuming the data also i never refuse to share any details. I just said sensitive information can be shared in PM which you agreed. But again you never asked to PM me for any kind of information and now you are saying i refuse to share information wow. I answered every question you asked me as i am doing right now !

In your own words you said : dude, i actually gave you reps for your post and your poreparedness and openess to answer questions.i know you aren't a scammer. just a hard worker trying to make a buck. you definitely surprised me with this post and your answers

And now you are saying i refuse to share information and i don't answer questions
i DON'T know what are you trying to prove here this is called double standard

People can judge who is becoming defensive here

lastly, i am trying to help you man so yea, i have questions because i have thought long and hard about this too once. the reason why i didn't pull the trigger on it was it was way too much work for the money to be made for me but i understand that for some people, it's worth it....especially when they come from countries outside of the tier 1 countries. so i think i know a little bit about this business because i did my own research and because you aren't saying what your business model is, YES, ofcourse i qill question that i don't think you have thought everything through....espcially when i see you trying to get money from poor black haters in a blackhat forum rather than specifically prospect to people who are actually successful and have money that you obviously don't have to scale to a 5 digit income.


Remember once you accused me of not working hard ?? now you think its too much work for the money to be made ? You might be rich from 1st world country does not mean other black Hatters are poor this is not you talking here its your ego so pls leave your ego behind when you come here we are a community here and everyone is equal. Also i mentioned in the ppt that if investors have money to invest than only show interest. So as per you those Poor black hatters won't be investing in it. Also as i mentioned before i can't go to VC firm with the idea of selling GB business and expecting to get investment. come on man this is a common sense !

you hate writing? well good news. you don't have to write. you don't have to reply but i would think it's in your best interest to be open about what you can in public and if you want me to sign a NDA because you only wish to provide information in pm's, i will be happy to do that so you can't accuse me of assuming things anymore about your business model which is already proven and only needs to be scaled. but if you are going to choose to write, i think it's in your best interest not to be defensive when there are unanswered questions. that makes me very skeptible and it will make all your potential investors skeptible when you try to turn things around thinking *I* am the problem. think again.....

This is what i did i posted things in public which needed to be in public and sent in PM which needed to be in PM. But you decided to ask me private questions in public and Accused me of not answering the questions and calling me scammer. And yes i will send you details in PM as you requested. This is the last reply i am writing to you as after this we will part ways. I use to respect you but today i realize you are the know it all guy and would only like the replies which complies with your belief system.

So Thank again for everything have a good day !


Best Reg
Forgottenhero

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@forgottenhero, sent you a PM regarding this opportunity, looking forward to your reply

(10-16-2021 11:12 AM)skyparcIMG Wrote: [ -> ]@forgottenhero, sent you a PM regarding this opportunity, looking forward to your reply

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Thanks for the interest

Pm sent


Best Reg
Forgottenhero

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Hi Forgotten Hero.

Your idea sounds interesting on the surface, but I am left with a few massive, yet unanswered questions..

You have a plan of making a private course investment group and then resell the courses here in BBHF.
So far so good.

The confusion I get is due to the fact that I could set this up myself in 1 hour (WP + a few affiliate/investment plugins + membership plugin), and it would cost me nothing to start selling courses all over the internets blackhat forums, and through my own site, so why would I invest money into something that has a max 10-50% chance of working.. So if I thought it was a good idea, why would I need you?

Also, I am thinking that most GB`s here on BBHF are bought from other sites, and resold here, despite the sellers claiming otherwise, as it's against policy here. I know for a fact that you can get many courses without watermarks, and Photoshop is not the most complicated thing in the world if all you need to show the Lala (admin) is a receipt that you purchase something..
That means that if your idea actually worked it would be extremely easy for the other sellers to lower their prices and start selling courses for next to nothing, as they have almost spent no money on them to begin with, unlike you, that paid full price.

Another thing that should be mentioned is you could invest in a cheap course, and get this ball rolling yourself.. Buy a good 97USD course, + you pay 100USD for starting it up here in BBHF, and you would be on your way. If you do not have the USD200, then I think you could find a family member or friend to loan from, if this is so good as you claim..

You used to sell this ebook on how to make money on Fiverr (now you offer it free), so I am guessing you must have some kind of money to invest unless it's not working?
http://bestblackhatforum.com/Thread-Free...s-required

All this brings me back to your 2 months of planning..
I think that if I could come up with several ideas that destroy your idea in literally 2 minutes, I would be surprised if it would work IRL.

Unlike California Kid that (Sorry CK) that has a tendency to be slightly overeager to hit people in the head with his sharp words LOL, I do not want to call you a scammer, I think you are just a guy that got a decent idea and lost sight of the reality surrounding it..

Good luck finding another.
This is honestly not a good idea. Maybe 5 years ago, it could have worked, but not anymore.
Too much bullshit, too many resellers of GB courses, and to easy to everything yourself. Don't need a group for this..

I have nothing but respect for you.
You have been a great helpful positive member here for many years, so I hope you take my slightly negative words with a smile :-)

(10-18-2021 08:32 AM)khawk1 Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Forgotten Hero.

Your idea sounds interesting on the surface, but I am left with a few massive, yet unanswered questions..

You have a plan of making a private course investment group and then resell the courses here in BBHF.
So far so good.

The confusion I get is due to the fact that I could set this up myself in 1 hour (WP + a few affiliate/investment plugins + membership plugin), and it would cost me nothing to start selling courses all over the internets blackhat forums, and through my own site, so why would I invest money into something that has a max 10-50% chance of working.. So if I thought it was a good idea, why would I need you?

Also, I am thinking that most GB`s here on BBHF are bought from other sites, and resold here, despite the sellers claiming otherwise, as it's against policy here. I know for a fact that you can get many courses without watermarks, and Photoshop is not the most complicated thing in the world if all you need to show the Lala (admin) is a receipt that you purchase something..
That means that if your idea actually worked it would be extremely easy for the other sellers to lower their prices and start selling courses for next to nothing, as they have almost spent no money on them to begin with, unlike you, that paid full price.

Another thing that should be mentioned is you could invest in a cheap course, and get this ball rolling yourself.. Buy a good 97USD course, + you pay 100USD for starting it up here in BBHF, and you would be on your way. If you do not have the USD200, then I think you could find a family member or friend to loan from, if this is so good as you claim..

You used to sell this ebook on how to make money on Fiverr (now you offer it free), so I am guessing you must have some kind of money to invest unless it's not working?
http://bestblackhatforum.com/Thread-Free...s-required

All this brings me back to your 2 months of planning..
I think that if I could come up with several ideas that destroy your idea in literally 2 minutes, I would be surprised if it would work IRL.

Unlike California Kid that (Sorry CK) that has a tendency to be slightly overeager to hit people in the head with his sharp words LOL, I do not want to call you a scammer, I think you are just a guy that got a decent idea and lost sight of the reality surrounding it..

Good luck finding another.
This is honestly not a good idea. Maybe 5 years ago, it could have worked, but not anymore.
Too much bullshit, too many resellers of GB courses, and to easy to everything yourself. Don't need a group for this..

I have nothing but respect for you.
You have been a great helpful positive member here for many years, so I hope you take my slightly negative words with a smile :-)

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Hey Man I really like the way you expressed your concern with my business idea.

The Problem is on my part that I have not shared all the details. And people mistake this with selling courses as GB.

I know Most Courses are downloaded from other sites and resold here. The problem is when you talk about GB. Only Selling Courses comes in mind nothing else

Any way i wont write so much instead i will have to public other part of information that might help you understand what it is exactly and why i need to crowdfund.

Maxx reps added your kind feedback :)

Best Reg
Forgottenhero

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don't bother responding khawk, he is not interested in sharing his business model with anyone. this is a lost cause. there are so many holes in this it isn't even funny and he keeps being vague and saying nobody knows everything because he admits to not telling anyone shit.

when will he open up about the business model so people will know if they want to partner or not? nobody knows. until then though, talking to him is a lost cause. he has no clue what he is doing right now and becoming defensive of people question him.

i am not going to go so far as to say he is scamming because i know his history here on the forum and he legit tries to come up with different ideas.... but he hasn't succeeded yet which is why he's here trying to promote another idea. that is concerning and his response to everyone elses concern? "oh you don't know my whole plan so you can't assume things....and i am not going to tell you what my plan is either"

it's like talking to a brick wall. he doesn't understand where is is ALREADY going wrong. i personally wouldn't want to work with someone like that or even trust someone like that. to vague and shady to me. this isn't good business so he would make a LOUSY partner and my bet is he is going to fail at this too because he thinks he knows it all and can'[t accept constructive critisisms....

Yeah I was interested in this potential JV but I too don't think this is going anywhere or that forgottenhero is a reliable partner to do business with. You don't even need to JV to do GBs anyway. This thread is already quite old and nothing has got off the ground which shows a lack of preparation or initiative in getting this JV rolling.