I fully echo the sentiment on Group Buys, which has completely changed the way how BBHF operate these days as opposed to the time when I joined more than 8 years ago.
It is utterly and sometimes despicably annoying to see GB's being flaunted left right and center, with the clear and ulterior motive of making a quick buck. This can easily be noticed by the speed with which some GB's are appearing here i.e. almost immediately after original product launch. It does not even give enough time for our expert crackers to have a go at it.
Mrgwaps above, are raising exceptionally pertinent and valid points, which I propose for the Mods to give serious attention to.
Some GB's are of course genuine, due to unavailability or access via a different platform especially SAAS based products. However, there are often ways and means around it, as eloquently eluded to by Mrgwaps.
A related trend that I'm also noticing is that "high-ticket" items especially extensive courses by certain "gurus" are being targeted for GB's. I often trawl the internet in order to find it for lower and/or cheaper and have been successful on many occasions.
By example, I came across a site where many of the high-ticket courses being sold here, can be obtained for dirt cheap. Anyone wanting details of this site can PM me as I'm probably not allowed to mention it here. I am not an affiliate to this site, as it does not even have an affiliate program. We need to act in the interest of transparency, and to show that there are cheaper alternatives to GB's.
Additional comments or views on this whole GB debacle, will of course be duly appreciated. As a freelance writer, I always appreciate the eloquence with how people express themselves, and Mrgwaps certainly delivered a fine rendition.
Let's keep up the spirit of what BBHF was initially intended for.
Cheers and please stay safe and healthy out there.
@All: I agree with everything said in every post made beginning with Mrgwaps' post above.
As many of you may know, my recent "absence" from the forum wasn't my own doing. I was being moderated. One or more GB sellers complained about a few links in my LAYNA'S LINKS LETTERS because they gave access to stuff they were trying to profit from. What was most hurtful to me was the way it happened. I noticed that my posts were not showing instantly when I submitted them. The forum moderator didn't bother to contact me but simply started moderating my posts and only after I asked another forum mod about it did I understand I was being watched.
So I learned then that, based on how much I've given this forum, GBs must be more important to the folks running this forum than true community sharing.
Had I been contacted first, I would have told the moderator:
* Firstly, he needs to take more time fine-tuning this forum's search function because you can't even find (in most cases) whether a product has been shared before, let alone what is being sold as a GB!
* Secondly, anyone with average intelligence can FIND download links to many of the top IM products, courses, books, etc. ... and who's to say the GB sellers aren't "sourcing" the stuff they sell this way?
And thirdly, I would ask:
* Do you penalize GB sellers who haunt REQ threads offering their services when the people there are trying to find the download as a share?
It's bad enough that you can't post a link to a very helpful website to download courses without it being scrambled because it was "reported as spam" ... blah, blah, bulls*it! Those scrambled links actually go to sites that will help members here to find the stuff they want, in most cases.
But whatever!
This forum is more interested in c*ck-blocking legitimate URLs to great downloads because it interferes with GB sales.
I'm not saying there should be no GB sellers. This forum takes money to run and when someone does a GB, they pay a fee ($100, I believe) to the forum for the privilege. So money moves the world.
But isn't this a forum?
GB should have it's own entity.
I wouldn't be surprised if my opinion will (again) be silenced in some way with this post being deleted or the thread being removed. And that would be sad because we live in a time when you should be able to express yourself, as long as it doesn't degrade or disparage another. I love this forum ... I really do. If I am banned, so be it. I know how to find stuff and my hard drives are bulging at the seams. So I won't go without.
I enjoy the BBHF community and have forged many a "digital" friendship. GBs, however, seem to be more prevalent and unless something is done ... there goes the neighborhood.
for reading!
Layna61524
...and this is the reason I stopped sharing. I preferred to share high ticket stuff as I find they (obviously) offer more. I later realized my share was dropped and replaced by a group buy. I was very disheartened by this.
A well deserved cheers to Queen Layna, for sharing her very personal and extended experience around GB's.
I have no doubt whatsoever, that the truth will always prevail and this conversation is far from being concluded as more associates on the forum express their opinions that were potentially suppressed in the past.
Long Live Freedom of Honest Expression!!!
(05-11-2020 02:43 AM)gerardm24 Wrote: [ -> ]I fully echo the sentiment on Group Buys, which has completely changed the way how BBHF operate these days as opposed to the time when I joined more than 8 years ago.
It is utterly and sometimes despicably annoying to see GB's being flaunted left right and center, with the clear and ulterior motive of making a quick buck. This can easily be noticed by the speed with which some GB's are appearing here i.e. almost immediately after original product launch. It does not even give enough time for our expert crackers to have a go at it.
Mrgwaps above, are raising exceptionally pertinent and valid points, which I propose for the Mods to give serious attention to.
Some GB's are of course genuine, due to unavailability or access via a different platform especially SAAS based products. However, there are often ways and means around it, as eloquently eluded to by Mrgwaps.
A related trend that I'm also noticing is that "high-ticket" items especially extensive courses by certain "gurus" are being targeted for GB's. I often trawl the internet in order to find it for lower and/or cheaper and have been successful on many occasions.
By example, I came across a site where many of the high-ticket courses being sold here, can be obtained for dirt cheap. Anyone wanting details of this site can PM me as I'm probably not allowed to mention it here. I am not an affiliate to this site, as it does not even have an affiliate program. We need to act in the interest of transparency, and to show that there are cheaper alternatives to GB's.
Additional comments or views on this whole GB debacle, will of course be duly appreciated. As a freelance writer, I always appreciate the eloquence with how people express themselves, and Mrgwaps certainly delivered a fine rendition.
Let's keep up the spirit of what BBHF was initially intended for.
Cheers and please stay safe and healthy out there.
I agree with this
(04-06-2020 05:11 AM)Mrgwaps Wrote: [ -> ]Come on folks this is a blackhat forum, we as a community should guard against experiences Layna mentioned about, using our skills to get access to CLOUD software like these, we are back door experts, many of these CLOUD tools, once someone purchases, they usually send you a generic sign in/up link that can be shared, many times we can scrape the website and find the registration link, or hit the developer button on your browser and scan the page for the registration link.
OR hit the signup button and hit ESC while it's loading and the signup page appears. For the life of me, STOP wanting to throw your hard earned money at these scammers for access to these CLOUD softwares their all using the same CLOUD engine to create.
I don't like this trend of, OH LETS MAKE A GROUP BUY, NOO!!! Put your MONEY DOWN, this is not Warrior Forum, knock off all the GROUP BUY talk, this place is turning into a d*** GROUP BUY FORUM because we are inpatient and the GROUP Buy Vendors on here are using GB to create income.
This is a BLACKHAT Forum, we obtain things the blackhat way. Ive seen so many products on here people are offering Group BUYS for, that access to the CLOUD software can be made by methods I mentioned above.
Every other thread is a GROUP BUY, while GB's are cool for HIGH ticket software that is secured well, these clickbank cloud software made by these scam you out your bucks vendors need to be ripped and shared not purchased.
MIC DROP, I'm OFF MY SOAP BOX
YEAH and although I have bought a few GB's I am now wary as they are more and more for profit and each new product out get's tied to a GB, two sections would be good and a separation of them could get us back to the way forum was, or at the very least as soon as GB has delivered it get's removed
Thank you all for your kind acknowledgements, and sorry to hear about @Layna's experience that was a very disgusting situation after all she's shared over the years, the bottom line is, the GB's are providing more income for the forum, I totally get it, I try to understand things from both sides of the coin, there's no way you would keep my free access post up for something that someone is willing to pay $100 to post the same thing.
By all means delete mine and get your money. Don't Ghost me. You could potentially disenchant someone from ever sharing again, or have members get sick of the new trend and spawn off a bunch of different BH sites, which accomplishes nothing but splinter up the community that took years to form. I remember the days you'd see a new release and an hour later someone was sharing. That's what built this community.
However over the years, the forum has harbored alot of talented individuals, developers, expert crackers, and people who can simply get into many of the new releases by various ways, it takes time to develop that, it didn't happen over night, not to mention those that buy and simply willing to share.
We now have people stalking muncheye and other websites of the like in order to get a jump on hosting a group buy, many of which are just place holders, they are so far ahead in the future they are just paying the $100 and telling you delivery will be in 2-6 Weeks, WHAT!?? that's beyond corney.
So instead of allowing the talented people to utilize their skills for the community, or simply someone that has purchased and want to share, you have potential knoobs who have no skill, conducting GB arbitrage, much like @Gerardm24 has mentioned, finding the high-ticket courses from other sites for dirt cheap and posting them here for GB's with the intent to run them forever and make more money than their original $100 investment to post a GB.
There has to be a better solution than this. We are stifling growth, being replaced by talentless GB organizers. I have nothing against GB's, some are valid, I myself has purchased some in the past. But when you see each and every release as a GB, the forum is losing it's original spirit and shifting targets.
Potential Solution:
Utilize the executive access section for the 0 day shares. New members less than 3 years, charge them $200 for access, more than 3 years $150. That way if you don't have the stripes or haven't paid the $200 or $150 for EA, you can go on your GB hunt.
Products in EA immune to GB, that way the inpatient people can still purchase their GB's, and the talented people can share in EA, it creates an additional income stream for the Forum on the EA front, and would be no deleting of post's in EA because someone opened a $100 GB thread in the regular forum.
There is no way the forum can continue to grow and prosper when you are deleting shares and ghosting posts, because some hurry come up went and opened a $100 GB to conduct arbitrage and get a post deleted for the very same product for free. Just some Food for Thought.
I plan to follow this thread to read of others' opinions about this (unless it gets taken down --- and don't laugh; it's happened before).
Of all the shares I have posted, nearly half of them are of the HOW TO FIND STUFF variety; tutorials showing how easy it is to do a quick web search or two and find a treasure chest of valuable downloads. That is how I discovered all the free course download sites I've posted about.
I don't know if (or how many) people read those posts or even try the searches, themselves. All I can do is put it out there.
Group Buys definitely have their place but they are more like a fish-out-of-water on a site where sharing is the central theme.
Why not have a set of rules that allow people to share their knowledge of hacking without penalty? Make GB sellers do their homework and sell the sizzle ... list the benefits of BUYING their offer versus downloading freely from the links I share. And yes, there are sometimes benefits to going with a GB over a free course download. Anyone who knows about free course links should be able to defend a GB based on a set of scenarios. Don't set up forum rules that give a GB seller a frickin' unfair advantage (and ready sales) on a share-based site!
W-T-F? 
As I mentioned, I had to stop sharing my LAYNA'S LINKS LETTERS on the forum because of a GB seller. Nobody stops them from coming into the free/public area of the forum to offer their services but I can't legitimately show people how I find tons of free downloads with a web search?
So now, no more LAYNA'S LINKS LETTERS for YOU. That's not to say I'm not sharing them anymore. I just don't share them here. And, sadly, that choice was made for me by someone else.
When I first came onto this forum, I didn't know how to upload a file or do a Virus Total scan on it, for that matter. I didn't have much faith in my own abilities. But by hanging around --- lurking and reading and trying things out --- I learned a lot. Thanks to the people in this community who gave of their skills and abilities ... their knowledge and time; those who became my "forum friends" and patiently taught me "HOW-TO," I wouldn't know what I know today were it not for them.
No GB seller ever helped me. It was the community of sharing that did.
That is why I give back so freely.
In my opinion, sharing and selling are two distinctly separate entities that should not co-exist in the same space. Sadly, more blackhat (and some of the free course download sites) seem to be going "the way of the Group Buy" for new IM releases.
It's just not a good look --- and people can smell the bullsh*t from miles away.
for reading!
Layna61524
Excellent points Layna, we all have aquired skills from just being a member over the years and soaking up free knowledge has sharepened our skills over time to where instead of the first instinct to purchase some shiney new object, we know how to research and aquire back door access.
Alot of the downloads, even the ones that are crap, I have learned from them, I conduct recon on product releases, check out funnels, ad copies, landing pages etc.
There's always something I learn even from the S***** products, it helps keep my finger on the pulse, I don't discredit anything, and very appreciative even the old shares, I see so frequently when people share oldies but goodies, knoobs reply, "Do you haz the updated version 2020.9999, this one is old"
They are clearly missing the big picture, and it comes off ungrateful. I digress.
Back to the original point of GB's and the main forum not being able to co-exist, is the most disheartning part of all of this because soon, all new releases will be GB's and people who legitimately share and give back, their posts are being deleted because some thirsty GB vendor opened a thread for a $47 product with OTO 1,2,3,4.
I really understand the forum needing to create revenue, it's the lifeline of any business. Which is why I proposed seperating the forums and even a solution to create additonal revenue by charging for EA access and having the shares in there immunity from GB's.
It's really time for the mods to address this issue, it's counter-productive and killing the MOJO. I'm glad I joined when I did in 2012, to say it's helped my Online Marketing skills is an understatement. I would never be able to repay what I've learned over the 6-8 years of being a member, not to mention the Terabytes of products and knowledge, I have spread across several devices and external drives.
I would like for a MOD or some Staff member with Rank to chime in on this subject.
This isn't just happening on threads/public shares. I had a PM (that contained an external link) blocked by some one because they MAY start a GB: Quote "Blocked by Omni Potens, reason: reports from LEGIT GB STARTER".
Had there been a GB for this product I would not have shared the link (because of my loyalty to BBHF).
There is already a BBHF GB section (GB Section for GB Lovers Only). I have purchased a number of GBs here and have been mostly satisfied with the products. However, I support the idea of limiting GB's to that section and having a seperate setion for those willing to freely share.