Hi..no they don't sell leads....clients post their "need" and it is sent to "qualified" businesses...if u want the job u pay to bid - to have them look at your bid...they choose
Lately in order to win u need to be very lowball...cause many pick the lowest.
The clients tend to be very local...they want to know the biz is local...so fake info won't work
the site is easy to use so why would a business give u $$ to run it duhh??
and it is known for low bids ,undercutting....
if u have a decent plumber he wont want to do low bid work.then who do u sell it to meanwhile the client demands the service at the price You quoted...and u are screwed
not to mention it really is not set up for this
all this blather - have u even looked at the damm site??
thumbtack.com
it is very usa centric - it is set up so that biz be their own lead gen haha
it is not an average method it is just stupid
the fact that u say "it's still a good method" tells me you do not know Thumbtack haha
failure to do due dillagene is rampant around
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this is huge...u underbid a service...no tradesman wants the dumb bid...u owe money
u need to perform the service at the price u bid it....let's say a water heater u could lose hundreds
the site clearly says u can be sued...welcome to america
seriously if u can't even read the damm site u should not suggest this is an ok method
(09-06-2016 05:07 AM)rko12 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2016 03:40 AM)Quasar Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2016 02:35 AM)rko12 Wrote: [ -> ]Guys I think that we can work or leverage this site but we need to make few changes. For example if we have a local client who is paying us per lead generation we can easily register an account with his company name, photos, get reviews etc. and exploit this however I think you would need have your client sign a non competition or NDA contract before you reveal lead sources like these. So you need the help of a lawyer. I think that because for example let's suppose that you are representing a client online and sending him leads. If he someday run a survey between his customers or the customer that you send to him. He would know what your lead sources are. And sites like these are easy for anyone to use.
So I think the site has potential only if you are able to represent your clients for their online generation efforts. but we need to think how effectively protect ourselves from these business stealing our traffic source in this case.
Wow! Did you think-up this nonsense all by yourself?
You want to sell a client on using his name or company name AND you're going to put a covenant not to compete in front of him to sign too?
Okay, cowboy. You do all this and let us know how many businesspeople are willing to do it.
What are you going to do when he wants to see your adverts, approve the content, and all the other details?
It is ONLY his name and business he is trusting you with, right? Aw hell, it's only his business and livelihood, right? He surely wont give a shit about that.
I would jump all over that as a shrewd business owner - NOT!
This is also not to mention you have no clue if s/he can close deals. So, you will be paying for ads and sending him/her leads. But you won't even have anything to protect you if he doesn't pay you.
Or do you have another contract to put in front of him for that, Mr. Genius?
Then you have the issue of the TOS of the site in question. You did read those or are you just going to violate them because it feels good? And how do you know your offers and copy will even convert, Dr. Wizard?
In addition to all those contracts you will need to have Mr./Ms. Businessperson sign, are you going to test your offers on your own dime?
And let's say a businessman would even agree to doing all this, how many businesses like his are you going to represent in the adverts you post.
A: More than one and you have a conflict of interests unless you have him sign a separate contract with a non-exclusivity clause.
You do have answers for all the questions a legit businessman would want from you, right? You are anticipating all of this, correct?
Are you going to bank your entire business on only ONE business per niche? What are you going to do when or if s/he screws a customer or is incompetent?
This model does work but not when you are an idiot. A lead gen site works as it should when you DO NOT offer exclusivity except that, when you sell a lead, it is a one-time deal every time. They will be the only recipient of each INDIVIDUAL lead - not ALL of them.
And once again - they have the burden of proving to you that they can close deals and pay you promptly or you can and will sell them elsewhere.
By the way, how are you going to collect?
Upon sending them each lead, weekly, monthly? Got that worked out? PayPal? Collect in person? Invoice by mail? (No way!)
Then you send leads to the people who are closers and who will also pay you. Or will you have the attorney draft a contract to collect payments too?
You further make an assumption that all the readers of this thread will pay for an attorney to do this even close to the way you propose.
Why would I pay an attorney several thousand dollars to draft an agreement (or agreements) NO ONE would sign?
As an online seller and copywriter, I deal with legal and accounting departments all the time - still - even though I am semiretired. They are all pains in the a*ss.
Oh and I almost forgot, all signs indicate this site sorta sucks. And what businesses are running surveys? Where the hell is that coming from?
If these sites are so easy to use, why isn't every business on this one? Did you ever think there are many businesses that don't have a PC let alone rely on one? More than a few of the business owners on this site could not produce a simple text file.
I am not sure, but there seem to be a few small holes in your plan and zest for spending all that money before you make any. Oh and that stealing your sources stuff - that's life in business.
People steal from each other every minute of every day. It's called competition and, if it isn't proprietary and copyrighted or trademarked, you have no claim to anything.
Aw hell, that's another da*mn contract!
And what is a leecher like you doing commenting anyway? You haven't contributed a da*mn thing to this forum in all those years you've been here!
One rep since 2011? Really? Man, you must totally know your shit or are you slumming today?
Hi. I never say that would be easy doing a thing like these. But if you think is the only way that you probably can take these leads and sell them. And yes I know that most of you SUPER MARKETERS. think that know everything and deal with leads, business, local buyers and never sign a contract but even if you think is impossible there are contracts that can protect you from a client competing with you in a lead source. However you are right in the thing that is a pain in the ass. I still don't know the site too much just testing right now. looks like they generate a lot of leads in some niches but I am not sure about their quality. Regarding payments there are not problems I have clients paying me per each call that I send to them and daily payments through paypal. I know that there are other methods to generate calls, leads etc but this discussion is just try to see the best way to exploit this site or something like that. And yes I know how the site works because the same course outline that. but let me ask you Mr expert. How you can monetize these leads in a proper way? not using my method or the method that the autor promote? You that know all and are not a leecher like me xDDD haha
The only thing that you are probably right is in the TOS of the site. That I still don't read it. is in the only thing that you are right
Geeze....u ddin't read the tos...well that is very important in IM and offline so u sound ridiculous
the author of this crap is not doing it
geeze o peezeo
take a breath and let it go hahaha
@ FreebieQueen1999 We all get you dont like the method. Now please shut up with the rants
Anyone have the OTO for this? Shotgun SEO?
+5 reps for the OP but my review of the Local Lead Arbitrage is "thank God I didn't pay for this crap!".
As a former Thumbtack subscriber, I have to say it's basically a rip off. You have to pay for credits to bid on jobs and if the person posting the job decides "to do it themselves or find other options", after looking at all the bids, (basically because they are cheapskates) you've just lost money bidding. After losing a half dozen of those because of that reason, I no longer use Thumbtack.
I certainly cannot imagine trying to set up a system like this on crappy Thumbtack. You would probably lose more money on your BS bids than landing a paying gig.
Thank You "Producer" for the share. Rep added
I actually think this will be better than the FE
