drop dead, stupid mirror makers...

***We Go*** · (This post was last modified: 09-15-2015 07:54 AM by We Go.)

@ALL
Personally, I normally dont post into these types of infighting threads because I feel the BH community, especially here at BBHF, has much better activity to do with their time. Sadly, for the most part, my perception is that most of the support for the 'no mirrors please' has come from members that have not been on these forums long enough to properly absorb the culture of the community that they say they are supporting
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(09-13-2015 04:33 AM)ShortCircuit Wrote:
(09-13-2015 04:19 AM)darelorgs Wrote:
(09-13-2015 03:59 AM)TheNexus Wrote: Wow so many people are getting butthurt about this what is wrong with people providing a mirror from a different place? It fits in with the site mantra of sharing is caring.

As long as it is somewhere free to download from I'd rather get the fastest download available to me, and in those instances I'd rep the OP and the mirror maker.

I feel the main complaint here is omg I might not get the rep I want.

If you don't like it then gtf out of here we dont need you.

You're not right. Most mirrors are infected or code changed, or something is added like sending anon emails, spamming etc.. Rule should be that authors need to use multi mirrors, not others.. Also if you download something and there's 10MB of junk .txt files with someones domain in it that's mostly because of leechers, and those mirror makers.

So, no, you're not right. Who cares about some rep?

Do not blame the mirrors if you do not know which link to click and which not to. I've made several mirrors, nokia has made uncountable ones... nobody has complained. Mind providing some examples of the so-called infected mirrors?

@darelorgs
I too am looking for those examples, bcz truthfully I cant think of more than twice that I have seen anything like that in all the time I have been on BBHF. You say 'most' are changed .. so please show examples so that this issue can be properly resolved ...
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(09-14-2015 02:41 AM)quaramo Wrote: Mirrors should be allowed only if op links are down and someone requests the files. This way the mirror maker get some respect/reputation for sharing.

@quaramo
Respectfully, I dont see why reputation should be a factor in these discussions. Everyone is free to give, or not give, as per their own criteria. Speaking for myself I have had the immense pleasure of posting rep to uploaders for their time and effort and consideration: often to both op and those that make mirrors. Giving rep for mirrors doesnt mean that the op is cheated of rep (unless, of course, you fail to do so). Truthfully there are many times I have searched out other shares from an op in order to give more rep than the 5 I am limited to (when I was especially grateful for the contribution) for a specific share.
What I do find harmful, and very disrespectful, is when a member of the community whines that all the links are dead and the actual fact is that they did not look into each mirror of that thread. I have observed and commented on this in many threads: feel free to look at my posts and you will see what I have recorded. It is bad enough that some feel it is better to start a fresh thread for a product they want to share without doing a proper search and adding a mirror to an existing thread.
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(09-15-2015 02:03 AM)JustSomeDude Wrote:
(09-14-2015 11:42 PM)not-important Wrote: The reason some people are bitching around about it is simple. Blackhat was started as a community of people whos main motto is "Sharing is Caring" part of the Blackhat philosophy is mirrors, for many years people shared files and others mirrored them it all helped the community as a whole. The more mirrors the better for the community RIGHT ? Now the DO NOT MIRROR MY SHARE BRIGADE goes against the very principles of what blackhat is. They have turned the MIRRORING into a bad thing. It is slowly but surely killing off the roots of Blackhat. Once the roots have gone the rest of blackhat will die off sooner or later. TBH if I was a mod then the first person who posted DO NOT MIRROR MY SHARE would of got told in no uncertain terms to go away, and thats me being nice !

That "DO NOT MIRROR MY SHARE BRIGADE" are the ones who are providing the content. Those very roots you are talking about would be dead if action was not taken since I do not see anything new being posted as often as what it was end of last year.

@JustSomeDude
My perception is that there is no decline in quality shares, and am happy to say that it appears there are far fewer shares of low quality materials as more and more members are taking a higher road of making decisions based on quality, and save us all some bandwidth and time. Also, again based on my own logic, the mirror sites are supporting those hosters that are causing havoc with downloads so many of us are moving to supporting the t0rr3nt5 organized by our more far sighted members of the community (such as Aloha and NonConformer, and others).
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(09-15-2015 02:03 AM)JustSomeDude Wrote:
(09-14-2015 11:42 PM)not-important Wrote: The NO MIRROR MY SHARE people are slowly killing off blackhat, I bet there was a lot of celebrations going on with wso owners and so called gurus last weekend, when they found out that The mods of this forum had backed the DO NOT MIRROR brigade. They have been trying to kill blackhat for years, looks like they are going to get their wish !

I refer to my statement above.

@not-important
I am missing something, obviously! WHERE have the mods backed the 'DO NOT MIRROR' option?
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(09-14-2015 11:42 PM)not-important Wrote: I will say it again, I may not support or like the way some members have acted in their mirror making tactics, but as a blackhatter i have to stand up and fight for their right to make mirrors !

@not-important
DITTO DITTO DITTO DITTO DITTO DITTO
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(09-15-2015 02:03 AM)JustSomeDude Wrote: It is agreeable in certain instances, or when the OP requests a mirror. When someone asks for their file to not be mirrored just respect them. If they (the mirror makers) did that then there is no need for a debate, nor would there be a reason for rules to change.

In another post you mentioned the good that nokia guy was doing. I specifically requested for my CPV Lab "leak" post to NOT BE MIRRORED. Massive XXL type at the top of the page. I also explained why. To prevent leaking of it. Guess who made Post #2 and since his site is crawled by google the files are out there now and I have lost all credibility with the guy who gave me those files in the first place. That thaosthanter did not even leak it but nokia inadvertently did.

@JustSomeDude
REALLY!? Thousands of members on this community and you think that 100% of those human beings are not going to mirror when they see something useful? {{NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE READING THIS!! }} lol ... what happens when you are told to not think about pink elephants? What % of the time do you think 'pink elephants !?' ?? Its like asking that people dont continuously 'bump' a thread ... lol .. I have seen the same username bump the same thread multiple times in a single day.
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(09-15-2015 02:03 AM)JustSomeDude Wrote:
(09-14-2015 11:42 PM)not-important Wrote: NO MIRROR MY SHARES have NO room on any Blackhat site.

I refer to my first statement...

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SO ... what happens now? HERE is a scenario I think no one has addressed ... the links provided by a 'DO NOT MIRROR' op eventually die out, there are no mirrors on the thread .. and .... lets say he posts again because there are multiple requests .. I would say that is a mirror since it is not the original.... what does that make him ... what does it make him if he doesnt post after requests for a mirror ??
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PPLLEEAASSEE, be aware: this 'NO MIRROR' issue can possibly pull this fine BH community into the abyss of another BH :: a Black Hole :: that can not be recovered from

***intrepid*** · 09-15-2015, 08:30 AM

(09-13-2015 04:33 AM)ShortCircuit Wrote:
(09-13-2015 04:19 AM)darelorgs Wrote:
(09-13-2015 03:59 AM)TheNexus Wrote: Wow so many people are getting butthurt about this what is wrong with people providing a mirror from a different place? It fits in with the site mantra of sharing is caring.

As long as it is somewhere free to download from I'd rather get the fastest download available to me, and in those instances I'd rep the OP and the mirror maker.

I feel the main complaint here is omg I might not get the rep I want.

If you don't like it then gtf out of here we dont need you.

You're not right. Most mirrors are infected or code changed, or something is added like sending anon emails, spamming etc.. Rule should be that authors need to use multi mirrors, not others.. Also if you download something and there's 10MB of junk .txt files with someones domain in it that's mostly because of leechers, and those mirror makers.

So, no, you're not right. Who cares about some rep?

Do not blame the mirrors if you do not know which link to click and which not to. I've made several mirrors, nokia has made uncountable ones... nobody has complained. Mind providing some examples of the so-called infected mirrors?

ALL shares should be reported if they are infected. I reported a scammer who uploaded infected MyMail plugin and this was the OP not a mirror maker. He and others like to append "Always Updated" to the thread title and everyone should be leary of these crooks who infect servers with traffic-stealing code and other malware. I think it's best to buy your own themes and plugins and other scripts. Even images are infected.

***JustSomeDude*** · (This post was last modified: 09-15-2015 08:36 AM by JustSomeDude.)

How about this. End all this crap.
Make a mirror team, who will manage the creation of mirrors Smile

They upload to hosts which are friendly to be used, without adding their own crap to the files; while respecting those users who don't want their files mirrored. However if that user dissapears then they can reupload for sure Smile

PROBLEM SOLVED!!! Cool

***whoeverIwant2B*** · 09-15-2015, 04:29 PM

(09-13-2015 05:53 PM)DrugsIsTakingOverYourMind Wrote:
Quote:RE: Please Help Us Stop The Poor I Need Pennys Mirror Spammers
Simply create a thread on support centre , the users that disregard respect regarding mirror, I seen Omni Potens, banned a few others. I can personally warn them too once, if they keep repeating it, banned is the verdict.

So this might be the turning point of the mods :).
Will try it later on today.

@ we go, there was also a longer reposted comment supposedly originally written by lala last week that pretty much said the same thing.

***We Go*** · 09-15-2015, 10:47 PM

(09-15-2015 04:29 PM)not-important Wrote:
(09-13-2015 05:53 PM)DrugsIsTakingOverYourMind Wrote:
Quote:RE: Please Help Us Stop The Poor I Need Pennys Mirror Spammers
Simply create a thread on support centre , the users that disregard respect regarding mirror, I seen Omni Potens, banned a few others. I can personally warn them too once, if they keep repeating it, banned is the verdict.

So this might be the turning point of the mods :).
Will try it later on today.

@ we go, there was also a longer reposted comment supposedly originally written by lala last week that pretty much said the same thing.

Hi,
comment supposedly originally written by lala
TYVM for that ... I searched for posts by Lala all the way back for 3 months and cant see anything that references the issue. I will say that I didnt go through the posts in the BSO thread as those are always (far as I have ever seen) only confirmations that the BSO is approved and congrats to the BSO owner. It would be VERYinteresting to see who quoted Lala.

***We Go*** · 09-15-2015, 11:02 PM

(09-15-2015 08:33 AM)JustSomeDude Wrote: How about this. End all this crap.
Make a mirror team, who will manage the creation of mirrors
They upload to hosts which are friendly to be used, without adding their own crap to the files; while respecting those users who don't want their files mirrored. However if that user dissapears then they can reupload for sure

PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

IMHO,

This doesnt solve the issue of the op still being on BBHF and not supplying replacement links when the originals die out.

There are just far too many requests from users for new mirrors when in fact there are still working links, which will eventually cause all kinds of issue. FWIW, unless there were about 100 people on the mirror team, or a d*** good bot doing the work, the demand for mirrors would be overwhelming and lots of users would leave because the downloads are not available.

If there was a two strike rule about using non approved hosts/premium hosts or adding promotional materials etc, then at least users that are disrupting the community via bad mirrors would soon be banned.