I dare you.

[Lumos]

Dearest CK,
Just FYI:
What you mention are internal qualities (as opposed to outer, worldly ones.)
Mindset, as you so often bandy about.

So...
Fulfillment, yes this old man has it;
Contentedness - yes, that too.
Peace and happiness ??
Far more than most folks are likely to even imagine.

My 'leftover' desire is to do something(s) small and simple to ease the ever increasing grocery costs a little, but even without that we manage to have ENOUGH.

'Success' as most folks seek is NOT my goal.
Lots more $$ is just not needed by us to have a decent living.

Some enlightenment may be had from here, if desired=>

Code:

http://spiritisup.com/iwishyouenoughbp.html

PS:
When closely approaching 70 y/o living can cease to be a strugglesome race to some imagined 'goal' - and younger folks need time to learn that, if they are ever able to.

[bluefeb]

I dare you to prove my assertions here WRONG:

Well first I apologize for writing now at this late date, and I usually don't with old threads, but I JUST found this today, and I simply had to reply to both of you the best I could since I'm not good with copying as there is just so much that I want to reply to.

First I found this now primarily because it is in a section of the forum that does not get a lot of threads nor replies. I found by accident, seeing the title.

Lumos says- 1 - IM&MMO shiny object products and courses are truly, MOSTLY sold by folks whose 'systems' barely make them ANY $$;

CK wrote- we are not just talking about tools(methods and courses) but also skills which take a lot of time to acquire and master.

Both sides have a lot to offer in regards to the answer, but you do have to look at the situation of the individual. Please keep in my all of this is my own opinion, based upon your observations and my personal experiences.

I have seen a lot of so called "gurus" teach things that are VERY incomplete. The FE is confusing sometimes and vague. Then you find out that they only work if you add so many one time offers, or back end products from their funnels. Then when you do, you find out that you need the skills and experience necessary to make the back end products or the SAAS websites they use (of which they are also getting a commission from your purchasing that product that their Front End won't work without. Sometimes a key element is left out altogether and you don't figure it out until you have gone all the way through, which sometimes can take weeks and by then...surprise, surprise, they have introduced the next product which may have the complete missing piece or only a piece of the missing piece. You are not told which tools or skills you need to until you finish and then you have to find another "guru" to sell you the tools that you need or find a very expensive coursera or udemy course.


s Lumos says- - IM&MMO shiny object products and courses are truly, MOSTLY sold by folks whose 'systems' barely make them ANY $$;

I feel there may be some validity to that. Why do I say that? Simply because I have been there. Some "gurus" release a new product every 2 weeks. Why, because what they are teaching you doesn't work and they are afraid that you will find out and want a refund? Are they afraid that what they are teaching will be depracated in two weeks so they want the latest method.

Then there is the scheme where oh you can be my affiliate even with no background or followers or affiliates once you buy my product, I will give you affilate rights etc. Then they turn around and deny you the opportunity beause you only bought the front end and did not tell you that when you bought. And the affiliate platform does not chastise them for deceptive practices, even though said product creator has a high return rate.

Sometimes the creator in the sales letter says oh if you can't make it work that you dont't want it badly enough. CK says- THE RIGHT MIND SET and THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE. anyone can accomplish ANYTHING they put the mind to.

How when things don't always work because you are not given the right information or even made to feel stupid when it doesn't work because you don't hav all the information in one place.

so for me I have found validity when Lumos says - 4. Using endlessly complicated methods with nested 'steps' is a grand way to become utterly discouraged;

5 - The internet giants (like amazon) constantly make sure to diminish the profitabilities of all things which benefit individuals; IT should be all the internet giants, like the Gurus."

The people in YouTube are the same, where they show you proof of how the market or the process or the program has worked for them, maybe one part of their method and then they direct you to their new course, for 499.00 which will give you the keys to the kingdom and it is just the same crap.

Then you have the true people who have made it- like Noah Kagen. His book Million Dollar Weekend looked good, and he shows you how to come up with ideas and verify the profitability of the method. However it does not work for me, as I don't have any progam experience and he comes from a programing background with Google so he was able to create app sumo. What he was talking about does not work for me. It has nothing to do with mindset.

The same with AI- to do anything truly good with AI, and move beyond simply prompts you need Langchain and other related languages. So I am trying to learn this but since I have no Python background it may be a lost cause.

I am trying to do etsy and sites similar to it, perhaps going to sites that have a certain philosophy (without revealing the niche), and seeing if I can get them to be affiliates to help drive traffic. Doing something of my own and not going with the person who recommends doing planners even though the field is overly saturted. Let's see how that goes.

Ck- at one point in the discussion you mentioned that you taught your girlfriend how to sell on fiverr and if we email you, you will discuss with you. Perfect I am interested. I have the mindset and I know I CAN do if I have the knowledge and the information I need.

So all of this is my pov based upon my experience. There is no right or wrong, just the facts for me.

Sorry for the long rant.

[Lumos]

Sincere Thanks for your thoughtful reply here Bluefeb !!
(+Rep given, of course.)


As I'd indicated just above your wonderful reply - I'm not at all interested in chasing megabux or any sort of full-time career - a few bucks extra each month, made simply and easily would be absolutely perfect for me - IF such an opportunity truly exists in the MMO sphere.

And if not, no biggie, most likely I won't be around long enough to worry about it.

You may also wish to have a look here:

https://bestblackhatforum.com/Thread-Shi...pid4328183

Best Wishes to You and Yours !!

Lumos
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[horseman18702]

(08-07-2024 09:45 AM)bluefeb Wrote:  I dare you to prove my assertions here WRONG:

Well first I apologize for writing now at this late date, and I usually don't with old threads, but I JUST found this today, and I simply had to reply to both of you the best I could since I'm not good with copying as there is just so much that I want to reply to.

First I found this now primarily because it is in a section of the forum that does not get a lot of threads nor replies. I found by accident, seeing the title.

Lumos says- 1 - IM&MMO shiny object products and courses are truly, MOSTLY sold by folks whose 'systems' barely make them ANY $$;

CK wrote- we are not just talking about tools(methods and courses) but also skills which take a lot of time to acquire and master.

Both sides have a lot to offer in regards to the answer, but you do have to look at the situation of the individual. Please keep in my all of this is my own opinion, based upon your observations and my personal experiences.

I have seen a lot of so called "gurus" teach things that are VERY incomplete. The FE is confusing sometimes and vague. Then you find out that they only work if you add so many one time offers, or back end products from their funnels. Then when you do, you find out that you need the skills and experience necessary to make the back end products or the SAAS websites they use (of which they are also getting a commission from your purchasing that product that their Front End won't work without. Sometimes a key element is left out altogether and you don't figure it out until you have gone all the way through, which sometimes can take weeks and by then...surprise, surprise, they have introduced the next product which may have the complete missing piece or only a piece of the missing piece. You are not told which tools or skills you need to until you finish and then you have to find another "guru" to sell you the tools that you need or find a very expensive coursera or udemy course.


s Lumos says- - IM&MMO shiny object products and courses are truly, MOSTLY sold by folks whose 'systems' barely make them ANY $$;

I feel there may be some validity to that. Why do I say that? Simply because I have been there. Some "gurus" release a new product every 2 weeks. Why, because what they are teaching you doesn't work and they are afraid that you will find out and want a refund? Are they afraid that what they are teaching will be depracated in two weeks so they want the latest method.

Then there is the scheme where oh you can be my affiliate even with no background or followers or affiliates once you buy my product, I will give you affilate rights etc. Then they turn around and deny you the opportunity beause you only bought the front end and did not tell you that when you bought. And the affiliate platform does not chastise them for deceptive practices, even though said product creator has a high return rate.

Sometimes the creator in the sales letter says oh if you can't make it work that you dont't want it badly enough. CK says- THE RIGHT MIND SET and THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE. anyone can accomplish ANYTHING they put the mind to.

How when things don't always work because you are not given the right information or even made to feel stupid when it doesn't work because you don't hav all the information in one place.

so for me I have found validity when Lumos says - 4. Using endlessly complicated methods with nested 'steps' is a grand way to become utterly discouraged;

5 - The internet giants (like amazon) constantly make sure to diminish the profitabilities of all things which benefit individuals; IT should be all the internet giants, like the Gurus."

The people in YouTube are the same, where they show you proof of how the market or the process or the program has worked for them, maybe one part of their method and then they direct you to their new course, for 499.00 which will give you the keys to the kingdom and it is just the same crap.

Then you have the true people who have made it- like Noah Kagen. His book Million Dollar Weekend looked good, and he shows you how to come up with ideas and verify the profitability of the method. However it does not work for me, as I don't have any progam experience and he comes from a programing background with Google so he was able to create app sumo. What he was talking about does not work for me. It has nothing to do with mindset.

The same with AI- to do anything truly good with AI, and move beyond simply prompts you need Langchain and other related languages. So I am trying to learn this but since I have no Python background it may be a lost cause.

I am trying to do etsy and sites similar to it, perhaps going to sites that have a certain philosophy (without revealing the niche), and seeing if I can get them to be affiliates to help drive traffic. Doing something of my own and not going with the person who recommends doing planners even though the field is overly saturted. Let's see how that goes.

Ck- at one point in the discussion you mentioned that you taught your girlfriend how to sell on fiverr and if we email you, you will discuss with you. Perfect I am interested. I have the mindset and I know I CAN do if I have the knowledge and the information I need.

So all of this is my pov based upon my experience. There is no right or wrong, just the facts for me.

Sorry for the long rant.

You do EXACTLY what Ck tries to explain to you. You look at the "methods" too much to not see what is in plain sight.

[Lumos]

Sad to say - IMO, CK is not a person I'd EVER choose to follow in ANY manner.

His aggressive nastiness alone is enough to affirm that choice, then=>
Add in his insistence that his 'advice' applies to everyone and that explains why the mods here have needed to warn him and even delete some of his nastier posts.

Of course YMMV.

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[California Kid]

thanks. i don't want to be followed by anyone who is afraid of the truth and actual facts. you started a thread. i finished it with actual truth and facts. the mods delete my posts because there are progressive pussies out there acting like karens who complain complain and complain even more about EVERYTHING. that's not how i choose to live me life but it's obvious to me it's how you choose to live yours. you complain to the mods and demand my posts be deleted haha

you know what solves your problem? blocking me so you don't see my posts.....but nooooooo....you would rather complain than apply an easy solution to your problem. want another solution to your problem? instead of finding fault and offended with everything i say, learn from someone who has actually built a living online before. if you can't turn a negative in to a positive then you're just gonna lead a negative life( you meaning a general term).

i don't need to be polite here. polite is politically correct. politeness is what you teach your kids when they are young. we're all adults here. some.....actually most.....don't get offended. the few however choose it act like little bitches. they moan and cry and if they don't get their way they go bitch bitch bitch to the moderators. maybe you think that that is a good quality you would like to preserve for yourself, but trust me when i say, nobody like a narc and nobody likes a KAREN. god forbid you ever go to a comedy club. they would probably kick you out with how much you get offended and bitch bitch bitch and cry and moan over how the comedians choose to talk..... lighten up buttercup!