[GET] [REQ] Local Lead Arbitrage by Paul James

***biggee*** · 09-05-2016, 09:39 PM

It sounds like this method would violate the TOS of the site it recommends using... which is always a bad idea.

***rko12*** · 09-06-2016, 02:35 AM

Guys I think that we can work or leverage this site but we need to make few changes. For example if we have a local client who is paying us per lead generation we can easily register an account with his company name, photos, get reviews etc. and exploit this however I think you would need have your client sign a non competition or NDA contract before you reveal lead sources like these. So you need the help of a lawyer. I think that because for example let's suppose that you are representing a client online and sending him leads. If he someday run a survey between his customers or the customer that you send to him. He would know what your lead sources are. And sites like these are easy for anyone to use.

So I think the site has potential only if you are able to represent your clients for their online generation efforts. but we need to think how effectively protect ourselves from these business stealing our traffic source in this case.

***Quasar*** · (This post was last modified: 09-06-2016 04:20 AM by Quasar.)

(09-06-2016 02:35 AM)rko12 Wrote: Guys I think that we can work or leverage this site but we need to make few changes. For example if we have a local client who is paying us per lead generation we can easily register an account with his company name, photos, get reviews etc. and exploit this however I think you would need have your client sign a non competition or NDA contract before you reveal lead sources like these. So you need the help of a lawyer. I think that because for example let's suppose that you are representing a client online and sending him leads. If he someday run a survey between his customers or the customer that you send to him. He would know what your lead sources are. And sites like these are easy for anyone to use.

So I think the site has potential only if you are able to represent your clients for their online generation efforts. but we need to think how effectively protect ourselves from these business stealing our traffic source in this case.

Wow! Did you think-up this nonsense all by yourself?

You want to sell a client on using his name or company name AND you're going to put a covenant not to compete in front of him to sign too?

Okay, cowboy. You do all this and let us know how many businesspeople are willing to do it.

What are you going to do when he wants to see your adverts, approve the content, and all the other details?

It is ONLY his name and business he is trusting you with, right? Aw hell, it's only his business and livelihood, right? He surely wont give a shit about that.

I would jump all over that as a shrewd business owner - NOT!

This is also not to mention you have no clue if s/he can close deals. So, you will be paying for ads and sending him/her leads. But you won't even have anything to protect you if he doesn't pay you.

Or do you have another contract to put in front of him for that, Mr. Genius?

Then you have the issue of the TOS of the site in question. You did read those or are you just going to violate them because it feels good? And how do you know your offers and copy will even convert, Dr. Wizard?

In addition to all those contracts you will need to have Mr./Ms. Businessperson sign, are you going to test your offers on your own dime?

And let's say a businessman would even agree to doing all this, how many businesses like his are you going to represent in the adverts you post.

A: More than one and you have a conflict of interests unless you have him sign a separate contract with a non-exclusivity clause.

You do have answers for all the questions a legit businessman would want from you, right? You are anticipating all of this, correct?

Are you going to bank your entire business on only ONE business per niche? What are you going to do when or if s/he screws a customer or is incompetent?

This model does work but not when you are an idiot. A lead gen site works as it should when you DO NOT offer exclusivity except that, when you sell a lead, it is a one-time deal every time. They will be the only recipient of each INDIVIDUAL lead - not ALL of them.

And once again - they have the burden of proving to you that they can close deals and pay you promptly or you can and will sell them elsewhere.

By the way, how are you going to collect?

Upon sending them each lead, weekly, monthly? Got that worked out? PayPal? Collect in person? Invoice by mail? (No way!)

Then you send leads to the people who are closers and who will also pay you. Or will you have the attorney draft a contract to collect payments too?

You further make an assumption that all the readers of this thread will pay for an attorney to do this even close to the way you propose.

Why would I pay an attorney several thousand dollars to draft an agreement (or agreements) NO ONE would sign?

As an online seller and copywriter, I deal with legal and accounting departments all the time - still - even though I am semiretired. They are all pains in the a*ss.

Oh and I almost forgot, all signs indicate this site sorta sucks. And what businesses are running surveys? Where the hell is that coming from?

If these sites are so easy to use, why isn't every business on this one? Did you ever think there are many businesses that don't have a PC let alone rely on one? More than a few of the business owners on this site could not produce a simple text file.

I am not sure, but there seem to be a few small holes in your plan and zest for spending all that money before you make any. Oh and that stealing your sources stuff - that's life in business.

People steal from each other every minute of every day. It's called competition and, if it isn't proprietary and copyrighted or trademarked, you have no claim to anything.

Aw hell, that's another da*mn contract!

And what is a leecher like you doing commenting anyway? You haven't contributed a da*mn thing to this forum in all those years you've been here!

One rep since 2011? Really? Man, you must totally know your shit or are you slumming today?

***freebiequeen1999*** · 09-06-2016, 03:50 AM

(09-06-2016 02:35 AM)rko12 Wrote: Guys I think that we can work or leverage this site but we need to make few changes. For example if we have a local client who is paying us per lead generation we can easily register an account with his company name, photos, get reviews etc. and exploit this however I think you would need have your client sign a non competition or NDA contract before you reveal lead sources like these. So you need the help of a lawyer. I think that because for example let's suppose that you are representing a client online and sending him leads. If he someday run a survey between his customers or the customer that you send to him. He would know what your lead sources are. And sites like these are easy for anyone to use.

So I think the site has potential only if you are able to represent your clients for their online generation efforts. but we need to think how effectively protect ourselves from these business stealing our traffic source in this case.

Yikes..this has zero potential but go ahead and try....u will end up with a lawsuit haha (yeah sue happy USA)

U don't even know how the site works - potential clients request quotes and the first ones to pay to quote get in there - client can reject all....clients are looking for local - ie their city - hires. Period. U have to be able to quote the price - which I can do for stuff I do myself - ie websites, etc...but I can't quote the price of a water heater or a tent fumigation etc. U just show u have no experience with this so why encourage others ?

Clients do not need u to set them up..and non compete? Get real...that is why Thumbtack exists - so local biz can get leads - they don't need u to set u thumbtack. Your "non com" agreement will be worthless. If u are here in the us, your own rep will go very bad. If u are in another city ...or country...u are not gonna win bids anyhow so go waste $$ bidding.

There are other ways to do lead gen if that is what u want....but not this,
You sound really desperate so go try it but I think it is reckless to encourage others. U haven't used the site - I have. I also have clients who use/used it...I also know other offliners who have used/use Thumbtack.

***djohns*** · 09-06-2016, 03:53 AM

Quasar-
Reps to you.
You seem like a pretty saavy(?) marketer.
I for one appreciate your thoughtful insights. It's no wonder you have as many reps that you do.
My added reps just increased your string of atta-boys..... Thanks

***freebiequeen1999*** · 09-06-2016, 04:13 AM

Another thing - the "clients" on Thumbtack seem to have gotten worse as they are looking for a deal....and they can be very demanding. They look for the low bid. Example - I have a DJ client who now only uses TT rarely...he bids for some off season jobs and/or weekday jobs like a company party or birthday party etc. He no longer even wants the crap weddings there - cause every one he did was a hassle.

***pyrate001*** · 09-06-2016, 04:13 AM

You guys nailed it..
People that shop for the lowest price typically want perfection for nothing, and when the job is done, and they get what they paid for they will be the worst nightmare you have ever seen, complaining about the crap job they got, cause no end of grief and will want a refund and will still give you a bad rep.

Low end clients usually want the most for the least and are impossible to please.

Leave them for the bottom feeders, there will always be someone that will take them.

***Moo2*** · 09-06-2016, 05:01 AM

Anyone get the OTO Shotgun SEO ??

***rko12*** · (This post was last modified: 09-06-2016 05:09 AM by rko12.)

(09-06-2016 03:40 AM)Quasar Wrote:
(09-06-2016 02:35 AM)rko12 Wrote: Guys I think that we can work or leverage this site but we need to make few changes. For example if we have a local client who is paying us per lead generation we can easily register an account with his company name, photos, get reviews etc. and exploit this however I think you would need have your client sign a non competition or NDA contract before you reveal lead sources like these. So you need the help of a lawyer. I think that because for example let's suppose that you are representing a client online and sending him leads. If he someday run a survey between his customers or the customer that you send to him. He would know what your lead sources are. And sites like these are easy for anyone to use.

So I think the site has potential only if you are able to represent your clients for their online generation efforts. but we need to think how effectively protect ourselves from these business stealing our traffic source in this case.

Wow! Did you think-up this nonsense all by yourself?

You want to sell a client on using his name or company name AND you're going to put a covenant not to compete in front of him to sign too?

Okay, cowboy. You do all this and let us know how many businesspeople are willing to do it.

What are you going to do when he wants to see your adverts, approve the content, and all the other details?

It is ONLY his name and business he is trusting you with, right? Aw hell, it's only his business and livelihood, right? He surely wont give a shit about that.

I would jump all over that as a shrewd business owner - NOT!

This is also not to mention you have no clue if s/he can close deals. So, you will be paying for ads and sending him/her leads. But you won't even have anything to protect you if he doesn't pay you.

Or do you have another contract to put in front of him for that, Mr. Genius?

Then you have the issue of the TOS of the site in question. You did read those or are you just going to violate them because it feels good? And how do you know your offers and copy will even convert, Dr. Wizard?

In addition to all those contracts you will need to have Mr./Ms. Businessperson sign, are you going to test your offers on your own dime?

And let's say a businessman would even agree to doing all this, how many businesses like his are you going to represent in the adverts you post.

A: More than one and you have a conflict of interests unless you have him sign a separate contract with a non-exclusivity clause.

You do have answers for all the questions a legit businessman would want from you, right? You are anticipating all of this, correct?

Are you going to bank your entire business on only ONE business per niche? What are you going to do when or if s/he screws a customer or is incompetent?

This model does work but not when you are an idiot. A lead gen site works as it should when you DO NOT offer exclusivity except that, when you sell a lead, it is a one-time deal every time. They will be the only recipient of each INDIVIDUAL lead - not ALL of them.

And once again - they have the burden of proving to you that they can close deals and pay you promptly or you can and will sell them elsewhere.

By the way, how are you going to collect?

Upon sending them each lead, weekly, monthly? Got that worked out? PayPal? Collect in person? Invoice by mail? (No way!)

Then you send leads to the people who are closers and who will also pay you. Or will you have the attorney draft a contract to collect payments too?

You further make an assumption that all the readers of this thread will pay for an attorney to do this even close to the way you propose.

Why would I pay an attorney several thousand dollars to draft an agreement (or agreements) NO ONE would sign?

As an online seller and copywriter, I deal with legal and accounting departments all the time - still - even though I am semiretired. They are all pains in the a*ss.

Oh and I almost forgot, all signs indicate this site sorta sucks. And what businesses are running surveys? Where the hell is that coming from?

If these sites are so easy to use, why isn't every business on this one? Did you ever think there are many businesses that don't have a PC let alone rely on one? More than a few of the business owners on this site could not produce a simple text file.

I am not sure, but there seem to be a few small holes in your plan and zest for spending all that money before you make any. Oh and that stealing your sources stuff - that's life in business.

People steal from each other every minute of every day. It's called competition and, if it isn't proprietary and copyrighted or trademarked, you have no claim to anything.

Aw hell, that's another da*mn contract!

And what is a leecher like you doing commenting anyway? You haven't contributed a da*mn thing to this forum in all those years you've been here!

One rep since 2011? Really? Man, you must totally know your shit or are you slumming today?

Hi. I never say that would be easy doing a thing like these. But if you think is the only way that you probably can take these leads and sell them. And yes I know that most of you SUPER MARKETERS. think that know everything and deal with leads, business, local buyers and never sign a contract but even if you think is impossible there are contracts that can protect you from a client competing with you in a lead source. However you are right in the thing that is a pain in the ass. I still don't know the site too much just testing right now. looks like they generate a lot of leads in some niches but I am not sure about their quality. Regarding payments there are not problems I have clients paying me per each call that I send to them and daily payments through paypal. I know that there are other methods to generate calls, leads etc but this discussion is just try to see the best way to exploit this site or something like that. And yes I know how the site works because the same course outline that. but let me ask you Mr expert. How you can monetize these leads in a proper way? not using my method or the method that the autor promote? You that know all and are not a leecher like me xDDD haha

The only thing that you are probably right is in the TOS of the site. That I still don't read it. is in the only thing that you are right

***California Kid*** · 09-06-2016, 06:21 AM

i took a read through this since i've always been interested in arbitrage ever since i was in jr. high. i like the concept of this method. whenever i do deals like this though, i always want at least 100% roi or it's just not worth it unless i am selling something in bulk. being a middle man takes time since you are dealing with 2 people(technically 3 if you include the website owner)

when freebie queen said they sell leads(i think after the person replies to a quote) for $10-$25 dollars, i was very turned off since that's about how much i've sold leads in the past to contractors. the only way this would really be worth it is if you negotiate a % of the contract but there are too many negatives to making a deal like that unless you know an owner personally. even that's a negative because if you know someone personally, you should rather just direct them where they can buy the leads direct.

it's still a good method if done the right way. quasar gives it 2 stars, i give it three. this method is more for the desperate or someone who is selling leads and the demand is high for contractors who have been in business for a while.

if i was gonna get in this business again, i would just collect my own leads since i know seo and know how to build a decent wordpress site to collect leads.

average method, good read......